Storminator
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It also has to answer "why am I more fun than 4e?" and "why am I more fun than 1e?" and "why am I more fun than the OSRs?"
I remain cautiously pessimistic.
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D&D 5E 5E Will Epic Fail If
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It also has to answer "why am I more fun than 4e?" and "why am I more fun than 1e?" and "why am I more fun than the OSRs?"
I remain cautiously pessimistic.
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Weregrognard
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However, 5e will at least get a +2 brand bonus for having the name "Dungeons & Dragons"
StreamOfTheSky
Adventurer
...WotC actually listens to their fans' input, judging by what I've seen on this forum and theirs. Or if the whole "uniting all previous editions" was anything more than bs marketing talk that they have no intention of following through on.
CleverNickName
Limit Break Dancing (He/They)
Well, in my humble opinion, 5E will "Epic Fail" if...
1. They do not have an OGL or similar conduit for third-party publishers. Th OGL was the largest strength of the 3rd Edition family of products, and it continues to be the biggest strength of the Pathfinder product. Without an alternative, 3PPs have limited options, and Paizo will only get stronger. Seriously, WotC...please remember.
2. They require us to buy more than just the books and the dice to play. Everything else (from battlemats and minis, to electronic apps and tools) should be completely optional and easy to ignore.
Otherwise, I think they will do just fine. Everything else would be more of a difference of opinion, not really an "epic failure." Things like:
I cannot easily use my favorite B and X modules (especially "The Isle of Dread" or "The Keep on the Borderlands" with it. If I have to redraw all of the maps, re-stat all of the monsters, and rewrite all of the traps and treasures, I'll consider it "not worth my time."
1. They do not have an OGL or similar conduit for third-party publishers. Th OGL was the largest strength of the 3rd Edition family of products, and it continues to be the biggest strength of the Pathfinder product. Without an alternative, 3PPs have limited options, and Paizo will only get stronger. Seriously, WotC...please remember.
2. They require us to buy more than just the books and the dice to play. Everything else (from battlemats and minis, to electronic apps and tools) should be completely optional and easy to ignore.
Otherwise, I think they will do just fine. Everything else would be more of a difference of opinion, not really an "epic failure." Things like:
I cannot easily use my favorite B and X modules (especially "The Isle of Dread" or "The Keep on the Borderlands" with it. If I have to redraw all of the maps, re-stat all of the monsters, and rewrite all of the traps and treasures, I'll consider it "not worth my time."
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Regarding #1 While this is a point of concern on internet message boards I would be surprised if the OGL were a deciding factor at your average gaming table when deciding what to play.
As far as #2 goes an electronic tool/apps might be optional but the lure of a great character builder or another compendium and on demand errata makes me wonder how many people would really pass on it. It would be nice if access to dungeon and dragon mags weren't tied to the electronic tool though...
5E will fail if:
we again see big milestones like in 4E at lvl 11 and 21.
Inflation of HPs like in 3.xE
Forced armor proficiency's for many classes. Not all fighters want to go plated in steel from head-to-toe. I would rather take pointblank shot for my archer than heavy armor proficiency.
Limited in-combat healing, live that to rituals.
if we see cross class skills again cost double. I have no remark on max rank limit.
wizards utility spells crashing Andromeda galaxy into Milky way in 3d4 rounds.
Teleport moved to level 8 spell not 5. To easy for wizard to teleport to battle --> go nova --> teleport home --> sleep --> repeat.
Low level wizards holding thumbs up their arses after firing 2 spells. (reserve feats kinda solved that, but we need more of them and better).
Druid bashing fighter into oblivion with wild shape while his pet "trash movie Anaconda" keeps his cleric friend busy for a while.
more or less all spells that are not "I deal x damage at y ft in radius of z ft and alter reality for good amount should be casted as 1 round actions.
IF monk sucks as now.
we again see big milestones like in 4E at lvl 11 and 21.
Inflation of HPs like in 3.xE
Forced armor proficiency's for many classes. Not all fighters want to go plated in steel from head-to-toe. I would rather take pointblank shot for my archer than heavy armor proficiency.
Limited in-combat healing, live that to rituals.
if we see cross class skills again cost double. I have no remark on max rank limit.
wizards utility spells crashing Andromeda galaxy into Milky way in 3d4 rounds.
Teleport moved to level 8 spell not 5. To easy for wizard to teleport to battle --> go nova --> teleport home --> sleep --> repeat.
Low level wizards holding thumbs up their arses after firing 2 spells. (reserve feats kinda solved that, but we need more of them and better).
Druid bashing fighter into oblivion with wild shape while his pet "trash movie Anaconda" keeps his cleric friend busy for a while.
more or less all spells that are not "I deal x damage at y ft in radius of z ft and alter reality for good amount should be casted as 1 round actions.
IF monk sucks as now.
CleverNickName
Limit Break Dancing (He/They)
Agreed. But then again, whether or not I decide to play it at my table will hardly have an impact on whether or not the edition is an "epic failure." Pathfinder continues to be a very successful game, in spite of me never having played it.
Scribble
First Post
Unfortunately you are right- People will be polarized. instead of just asking "Am I a fun game?" they will for some reason think it's a one or the other thing.
ShinHakkaider
Adventurer
However, 5e will at least get a +2 brand bonus for having the name "Dungeons & Dragons"
Not from me it wont.
I think while there are a fair amount of people who are still caught up with the brand name I think that there are increasingly more and more people who have been off of the WOTC / D&D teat since 4E.
Those people have seen a RPG hobby beyond and without D&D and the brand name alone may not be enough to draw them back. I remember some of the more obnoxious 4E proponents saying things like "it's D&D. What else are ou going to play. You'll be back."
That didnt quite pan out the way they thought it would then and it may not now. Last time even though I wasnt feeling 4E I still bought the 4E gidt set from Amazon in order to give it a fair shake. D&D Next may not even be afforded that leeway from me. I fully plan to keep giving my money to Paizo and Kickstarter projects that catch my eye. WOTC will have to produce one hell of a game for me to even consider coming back into the fold.
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