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<blockquote data-quote="Dessert Nomad" data-source="post: 7523973" data-attributes="member: 6976536">You left off weapon specialization for the fighters entirely. If you're going to argue the numbers, you can't include perfect stat bonuses for the 5e characters and ignore major bonuses for the 1e characters. I asked about 5th level specifically in the thread title and the OP, hence why I was confused at your using a different level.I did my analysis using an average damage hit. Assuming 'always max damage' but 'average hit points' is just weird, and doesn't go anywhere good. &nbsp; No it's not, as explained by me and the 1e MM entry. It's not a factor because I'm looking at a RAW 1e encounter, not a house ruled or 2e encounter.&nbsp; I'm not arguing about whether '1e is more deadly', I'm looking specifically at one specific encounter. If you assume the worm always does max damage, assume the PCs are weaker than typical 1e tournament pregen PCs, house rule the worm to be able to use an ability it shouldn't RAW, and don't even look at the issue of whether the party can deal enough damage to kill the worm before dying, sure. But I don't think that's a good analysis.You didn't even include weapon specialization in your to hit analysis, and you're questioning whether I played the game? And did you really play 1E RAW from 1981 to 2012, because in my experience the vast majority of 1E games did not come close to being RAW, especially long-running ones.&nbsp; (I've never seen anyone use the whole compare weapon speed factors thing to see how many extra attacks you get, for example).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dessert Nomad, post: 7523973, member: 6976536"] You left off weapon specialization for the fighters entirely. If you're going to argue the numbers, you can't include perfect stat bonuses for the 5e characters and ignore major bonuses for the 1e characters. I asked about 5th level specifically in the thread title and the OP, hence why I was confused at your using a different level. I did my analysis using an average damage hit. Assuming 'always max damage' but 'average hit points' is just weird, and doesn't go anywhere good. No it's not, as explained by me and the 1e MM entry. It's not a factor because I'm looking at a RAW 1e encounter, not a house ruled or 2e encounter. I'm not arguing about whether '1e is more deadly', I'm looking specifically at one specific encounter. If you assume the worm always does max damage, assume the PCs are weaker than typical 1e tournament pregen PCs, house rule the worm to be able to use an ability it shouldn't RAW, and don't even look at the issue of whether the party can deal enough damage to kill the worm before dying, sure. But I don't think that's a good analysis. You didn't even include weapon specialization in your to hit analysis, and you're questioning whether I played the game? And did you really play 1E RAW from 1981 to 2012, because in my experience the vast majority of 1E games did not come close to being RAW, especially long-running ones. (I've never seen anyone use the whole compare weapon speed factors thing to see how many extra attacks you get, for example). [/QUOTE]

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