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<blockquote data-quote="Dessert Nomad" data-source="post: 7525534" data-attributes="member: 6976536"><p>This is an utterly bizarre and absolutely incorrect criticism of the fight. First of all, it's flat out verifiably factually incorrect. Elwita the 6F absolutely did not have the best saving throw at 11. Karraway the 6C actually had the best poison save at 9, and Eljayess the 3C/3F also beat her 10. Ogre F5 tied her poison save at 11, while Blodgett T5 had a 12, Freda R4 and Kayen F4/M4 had a 13. Delgath M5 hits the the bottom at 14, but was out of melee range. She was actually right in the middle of the pack for her save number, and we're only talking about a +2/-2 spread, not a huge gap. The argument that the fight was fixed by having the worm attack the person with the best save doesn't work when the person with the best save was never attacked in the first place!</p><p></p><p>Further, I didn't directly pick targets for the worm as I detailed in my previous post. I set the worm to attack whoever had hurt it worst, and I think that's reasonable 'taste' for an INT 1 animal's targeting. The criticisms of target selection also ring rather hollow when they contradict each other. In your previous post you claimed I was rigging the fight against the worm by having the worm ignore the (non-hitting) melee attackers to attack the most damaging character - who also happens to have the worst saving throw against poison of anyone on the ground. But here you criticize me for (allegedly) picking the person with the best saving throw as the target for the stinger. You can always make up some argument why whatever target was picked in a given round is wrong, but it gets silly when you switch it up and in one round argue that I'm clearly running the fight badly for NOT attacking the characters with the (allegedly) best saving throw against poison, and then in another that I'm biased FOR attacking the characters the characters with the (allegedly) best saving throw.</p><p></p><p>Finally, if Elwita had failed her 50-50 save, the party would still have won the encounter as written in round 3, as her 8 damage wasn't needed to kill it. If the worm was average HP instead of module HP, the party would have suffered one more round of attacks from the worm, then needed to do 8 damage in round 4 to finish it off, which was essentially guaranteed since the Delgath alone would do an unsaveable 3d4+3 with magic missile and ogre only needed to hit AC9 since he was inside. Even if it managed to swallow one character and poison another in that final round, the party would still survive with two dead party members and an available scroll of raise dead, nothing near the automatic TPK predicted originally.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have a thread prompted by a comment in this thread about how losing water supplies isn't a very big deal to D&D characters, but to word that as 'magic makes suffering moot' is more than a bit of a stretch. And deciding that I must be some guy you argued with in the past is... yeah.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dessert Nomad, post: 7525534, member: 6976536"] This is an utterly bizarre and absolutely incorrect criticism of the fight. First of all, it's flat out verifiably factually incorrect. Elwita the 6F absolutely did not have the best saving throw at 11. Karraway the 6C actually had the best poison save at 9, and Eljayess the 3C/3F also beat her 10. Ogre F5 tied her poison save at 11, while Blodgett T5 had a 12, Freda R4 and Kayen F4/M4 had a 13. Delgath M5 hits the the bottom at 14, but was out of melee range. She was actually right in the middle of the pack for her save number, and we're only talking about a +2/-2 spread, not a huge gap. The argument that the fight was fixed by having the worm attack the person with the best save doesn't work when the person with the best save was never attacked in the first place! Further, I didn't directly pick targets for the worm as I detailed in my previous post. I set the worm to attack whoever had hurt it worst, and I think that's reasonable 'taste' for an INT 1 animal's targeting. The criticisms of target selection also ring rather hollow when they contradict each other. In your previous post you claimed I was rigging the fight against the worm by having the worm ignore the (non-hitting) melee attackers to attack the most damaging character - who also happens to have the worst saving throw against poison of anyone on the ground. But here you criticize me for (allegedly) picking the person with the best saving throw as the target for the stinger. You can always make up some argument why whatever target was picked in a given round is wrong, but it gets silly when you switch it up and in one round argue that I'm clearly running the fight badly for NOT attacking the characters with the (allegedly) best saving throw against poison, and then in another that I'm biased FOR attacking the characters the characters with the (allegedly) best saving throw. Finally, if Elwita had failed her 50-50 save, the party would still have won the encounter as written in round 3, as her 8 damage wasn't needed to kill it. If the worm was average HP instead of module HP, the party would have suffered one more round of attacks from the worm, then needed to do 8 damage in round 4 to finish it off, which was essentially guaranteed since the Delgath alone would do an unsaveable 3d4+3 with magic missile and ogre only needed to hit AC9 since he was inside. Even if it managed to swallow one character and poison another in that final round, the party would still survive with two dead party members and an available scroll of raise dead, nothing near the automatic TPK predicted originally. I have a thread prompted by a comment in this thread about how losing water supplies isn't a very big deal to D&D characters, but to word that as 'magic makes suffering moot' is more than a bit of a stretch. And deciding that I must be some guy you argued with in the past is... yeah. [/QUOTE]
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