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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dessert Nomad" data-source="post: 7525563" data-attributes="member: 6976536">Yes, people did - I experienced it and called it that myself. And people certainly used the term when playing 1st edition AD&D after the 2nd edition books came out. And 1E and 2E have coexisted for longer than 1E was out without 2E. And just in general, the 'logic' that I must not have actually played 1e since in 2018 I used a term you believe originated in 1989 when discussing the game is... fascinating.As I said, people with mild intelligence realized that the hit tables did follow a simple progression other than at and above the '6 20s' point, which is the part you're talking about here. And as I said, all of the THAC0 calculations in my example fight produce exactly the same results as lookups for the fight; there were no level 5 clerics involved. Maybe you didn't play with people who figured out that shortcut, or with people who played 1E games after 2E came out and really popularized the term, but it was used. The fact that the term is written in the 1e DMG really settles the issue.I have not gotten any of the 1e purple worm's abilities wrong in this thread. If I have one wrong, cite specifically what it is. OTOH you got the swallowing rules completely wrong, and changed what dimensions they apply to.I want a reputable, documented cite for that claim about the power level of a 'typical player PC'. I am not aware of any general survey of 1E players that would support your claim for the typical power level of a player PC - Monty Haul DMs who handed out magic items by the bag of holding certainly existed, as did people who handed out 18 stats or used Ability Score method in UA. The campaigns you played in may have been at some particular power level, but there is nothing that supports your claim that your experience was universal. I suspect that the 10 year olds flinging Mjolnir at orcs would have thrown off the curve a bit if there was such a survey taken.The fact that you complained both that I had the monster attack the opponent with the worst save against its attack AND in another round the opponent that you incorrectly believed had the best save tells me quite a lot too.If you consider "will cite actual rules and actual numbers in support of my position" as "acting with disdain," then I am proud to "act with disdain" in discussions. I'm not sorry that the facts repeatedly fail to support your position, nor am I going to apologize for pointing out that someone disdainfully telling me I'm wrong is the one who is actually wrong.</blockquote>

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