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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 7525567" data-attributes="member: 15700">Not only are you wrong again, you’re lying on top of it to boot. That’s certainly impressive. You couldn’t have used a term before the term was even coined. Sorry. Lots of people played 2e, used that term, and think they used it the whole time when they couldn’t have because it didn’t exist. And they didn’t coexist any more than 1e and 4e coexisted. People kept playing 1e when it came out, but that doesn’t mean they were officially supported together for that whole time. Like I said, every time you post you display an ignorance of 1e. Now not only with rules, but with timelines as well. And I find it laughable that you actually looked at those NPCs and think those are typical 1e PCs that anyone would have. Now I’m utterly convinced you never played 1e back in the day. Tournament modules were created for scoring purposes, to see how far each table progressed. The NPCs the players used were significantly more powerful than typical PCs not in a tournament for that reason. It was pretty common knowledge at the time.  5th level PCs didn’t have +3 suits or armor, and half their stats over 15 with an 18 in almost every single party member. Look at the star gen methods, and learn how math works. There’s your proof. And look at the adventures PCs took to get them up to level 5, and how many of them had +3 items strewn about?  Or am I to assume by your most recent comment when you made your false claim to start this thread about how easy 1e was compared to 5e, you assumed the context was that everyone used the stat gen method in UA and played Monty haul?  That’s not how how the vast majority of players played the game, and if you assume that, then you should have called it out right off the bat instead of making a blanket statement. You aren’t citing actual rules. You’re making gross inaccurate assumptions, and massively shifting the goalposts when exposed. First it was “THAC0 was the exact same as the tables” and now it’s “well, anyone halfway intelligent knows...”Give it a rest. I’m not buying it.</blockquote>

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