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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ezo" data-source="post: 9310483" data-attributes="member: 7037866">Well, I think it clearer than that. Intelligence in AD&D is representative of I.Q. as well as other aspects, like learning ability, memory, etc. The ability to understand something, learn it, and such is really tied to Intelligence, and obviously Gygax thought this would apply to learning spells as well.Just look at the description from the 1E PHB:[ATTACH=full]356145[/ATTACH]As for clerics:[ATTACH=full]356146[/ATTACH]I would think Gygax's use of "enlightenment" is in reference to spirtual or religious enlightenment, however judgement and intuitiveness are also useful to the cleric concept. Even a more general usage of enlightenment, applied to the self, nature, etc. is appliable in many ways and why is makes more sense for Druids as well.Finally, if we look at his original Charisma:[ATTACH=full]356147[/ATTACH]We don't find anything that really relates to Clerics.Given all that, I am not saying I disagree with most of your assessment in the post! Of course, the idea of a Cleric being "learned" or "persuasive" doesn't mean they can't be wise. One of my favorite aspects of Wisdom in 5E is being tied to Insight. The ability to look into others and understand something about them is very much a "priestly" thing IMO.Obviously the meanings of these terms have changed through editions, but the ties to the prior editions remain in many ways. I think many older players would be up in arms if WotC made the shift to Charisma for Cleric.FWIW, one of the things we tie to Charisma is conviction, belief in yourself, your god, your cause, etc. With this in mind Charisma could easily go to Clerics IMO, as well as Paladins and Warlocks.So, currently in our 5E games we've shifted some of the casting classes around (bold indicates changes):<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Bard - Intelligence</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Cleric - Charisma</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Druid - Wisdom</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Paladin - Charisma</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Ranger - Wisdom</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sorcerer - Constitution</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Warlock - Charisma</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Wizard - Intelligence</li> </ul>I imagine many people would gasp at Bard - Intelligence, however we treat bards as more eclectic in how they acquire and utilize magic. We see the class as strong even as a half-caster. We don't really see Charisma as the spellcasting ability for them.Moving Sorcerer - Constitution is easily understood IME. And of course I mentioned the move for clerics above.</blockquote>

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