6 npc designer reviews at the same time

[DaveStebbins]

Right. A couple of people pointed out that it seemed odd that so many reviews appeared all at once, several by members who have posted very few times, but that was easily explained by the notice that was sent out to the people who purchased the product. I think the "that's odd" posts were interpreted as an accusation where such may not have been intended, and the "drama" ensued.

-Dave

 

[trancejeremy]

Yeah. It's not asking for reviews that is the problem, it's the quality of the reviews received.

I mean, look, anyone can write 1-2 lines giving their opinon of their product. But that's not a review.

Maybe there should be a separate "Comments" section for each product? Like have each product have a message thread attached? So people could make short comments, but they would be separate from actual reviews.

 

[Mark CMG]

If it becomes impossible to contact those people whose reviews don't make the cut, maybe there is a way to attach them to another review (much like the way you can combine threads in other forums). It would be a shame to simply have to delete the comments just because they don't meet the minimum standard for a review and the poster can't or won't bring it up to those standards.

 

[DaveStebbins]

It would be a shame to simply have to delete the comments just because they don't meet the minimum standard for a review and the poster can't or won't bring it up to those standards.

Why do you say this? If a post doesn't meet the established standards for the boards, it can edited or deleted and this is an accepted practice. The reviews section has its own additional established standards because the reviews serve an additional purpose beyond the general conversation and opinion of the other forums. If a 'review' does not meet those standards, and is thus of dubious value as a review, why should it not be edited out?

-Dave

 

[Mark CMG]

I think it is possible that some of those who posted reviews were actually thinking more along the lines of posting comments, which would have been fine if they had done so and attached it to another review that had already been posted. In fact, it might be a good idea to suggest that as an option to people in addition to the other two options of expanding on their review or having it deleted. I'm thinking it may just not be clear to some people that the option of simply commenting on another person's review (rather than posting their own review) is necessarily obvious.

 

[DonTadow]

Why do you say this? If a post doesn't meet the established standards for the boards, it can edited or deleted and this is an accepted practice. The reviews section has its own additional established standards because the reviews serve an additional purpose beyond the general conversation and opinion of the other forums. If a 'review' does not meet those standards, and is thus of dubious value as a review, why should it not be edited out?

-Dave

Yeah but these review guidelines were made before enworld started selling products. Not too many people right long reviews when their commenting on products. There needs to be a separte product comment section attached to every product as opposed to long reviews. For some people comments are enough to make a decision for some they want reviews.

 

[Mark CMG]

You don't feel that comments attached to a review with the same number of stars you would give a product are enough? I know that people can already, by way of the ENGS (store) interface, assign a number of stars to a given product if they own it. The reviews section allows for reviewers to write a review even if they have not purchased it through the EN World GameStore. I don't think you can give a star rating through the store interface unless you have actually made a purchase. I am also not sure if you can leave a comment in addition to a star rating. Anyway, that's about as much as I know about how the various systems work. There may be some pluses and minuses to each but at least there are many options.

 

[trancejeremy]

Yeah but these review guidelines were made before enworld started selling products. Not too many people right long reviews when their commenting on products. There needs to be a separte product comment section attached to every product as opposed to long reviews. For some people comments are enough to make a decision for some they want reviews.

Maybe products in the ENGS should have a comments page, then? Like RPGNow and etc?
Maybe also a rating page? Like people who bought it from ENGS could give it a rating...

I mean, yeah, it's true many people don't write long reviews for a products. But that works as a filter, generally. If they don't like a product enough (or hate it) to write a long review, how can we really value their opinion?

 

[Steverooo]

Why don't we just agree not to agree at this point, I even answered the last "why" above or in another thread at this point I am very unsure and the drama of all this has left a pretty bitter taste.

I have removed NPC Designer from being for sale here and this will end the matter all together for me. Have a nice holiday.

Well, that sucks... I doubt that you will ever read this, Vascant, but I have never seen your product, and I guess, now, that I never will. That's a pity...

Working hard on something, and then never having the intended audience see it, is a shame. It's a shame twice over. It's a shame that the folks who might want your product won't be able to get it, and it's a shame that you worked so hard for such a small audience...

As for "Why" the sudden appearance of five or six-plus five-star reviews, all on the same day might appear odd, there was a guy, here, a short while back, who had authored a book... He posted a "review" to ENWorld, and didn't bother to mention that he was the author. He had exactly ONE POST, here, and had been doing the same thing on a lot of other boards... Checking with Google, etc., one poster discovered that his year and date of birth, as well as his home town, were the same as the book's author's. Posts about this in the Meta forum soon revealed that the "reviewer" was, indeed, the author!

Now knowing all of that (if you ever read this), perhaps you will understand the "paranoia". Obviously, the system IS subject to abuse, and HAS BEEN abused... Now, in that light, can you understand the "drama", even if you still don't agree with it?

Well, I'm pro'ly just talking to the walls, here, anyway... I wishya hadn't taken yer product off the ENWGS, but, oh well...

 

[the_sandman]

I left one of the reviews on this site. I like to keep things short and simple. The product rocks. Period. The creator of this product rocks. Period.

Any of you have a problem with that? Is my post count too low, so my opinion doesn't count?

I am sorry, I do not subscribe to the theory of driving up my posts with responses such as "agreed" or "Ditto" or garbage like that. Does that invalidate my opinion? If Enworld wants to continue to have me as a customer, I hope the answer is no.

Look, if there are x amounts of 5 star ratings for the product, chances are it is going to be good. If there is any doubt, instead of rattling your bone boxes about some conspiracy, download and try the demo.

I know Vascant is feeling frustrated from all of this, and by rights, he should not be. This is a guy who in the last 8 months managed to accomplish something that the "bigger" companies like Fluid (Remember the original Etools?) couldn't. His product actually works, and is being improved daily.

Finally, I cannot believe the moderators of this joint did not step in to lock this thread. If Vascant decides not to sell the product here, then it is Enworld that loses out eventually.

So be it. I at least have this wicked product... do you?

Sandeman