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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 7859876" data-attributes="member: 6987520">But again, you have to remember this is why I increased proficiency, so ability scores didn't have to be boosted for your character to still be enjoyable to play. You might play a Wizard with a INT 16 at 1st level. By 4th level, you could have an INT 18. At 8th level, with the +7 prof bonus, you are +11, the same maximum you could have in 5E. Even if you never boosted INT via feats, at 10th level with +8, you are also +11 total; no different from the +5/+6 combo of ability/prof in 5E.Sure, MAD characters might not have single scores as good as SAD, but they have better scores elsewhere. Again, I never expect a MAD character to have 16's or higher in three scores. You can do it, it isn't even that hard to get two, which IME is all that is normally really needed for most MAD builds. The third score can be a 14 and still work very well.Allowing players to place the +1 in any score if a feat grants one, makes it entirely possible, if a player really wants it, to still have a 20 by 6th ot 8th level in L10. But, if they do that, then obviously that was their priority. Is it necessary though? Absolutely not, unlike in 5E is assumes you will use at least some ASIs to get an 18 or 20 in a prime ability score. Something, BTW, I never liked... so I removed that need.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 7859876, member: 6987520"] But again, you have to remember this is [I]why[/I] I increased proficiency, so ability scores didn't have to be boosted for your character to still be enjoyable to play. You might play a Wizard with a INT 16 at 1st level. By 4th level, you could have an INT 18. At 8th level, with the +7 prof bonus, you are +11, the same maximum you could have in 5E. Even if you never boosted INT via feats, at 10th level with +8, you are also +11 total; no different from the +5/+6 combo of ability/prof in 5E. Sure, MAD characters might not have single scores as good as SAD, but they have better scores elsewhere. Again, I never expect a MAD character to have 16's or higher in three scores. You can do it, it isn't even that hard to get two, which IME is all that is normally [I]really[/I] needed for most MAD builds. The third score can be a 14 and still work very well. Allowing players to place the +1 in any score if a feat grants one, makes it entirely possible, if a player really wants it, to still have a 20 by 6th ot 8th level in L10. But, if they do that, then obviously [I]that[/I] was their priority. Is it necessary though? Absolutely not, unlike in 5E is assumes you will use at least some ASIs to get an 18 or 20 in a prime ability score. Something, BTW, I never liked... so I removed that need. [/QUOTE]

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