Upper_Krust
Hero
Hello Jack!
I disagree. The formula I use does not depend on the system, it merely depends on the same (approx.) incremental jump being used for each level. Now I will concede that we don't know if 4E uses the same jump in power each level, but I think its highly likely that it does.
If all you need was a Level 16 mob then that would validate what I am suggesting (A 67% increase for indiduals against a five member party to maintain the same degree of challenge).
No, but you do need a Level 33 monster to challenge a group of five 20th-level characters to the same extent that five Level 20 monsters would challenge them.
However, CR and Level mean two different things, leading to lots of confusion in 3/3.5.
e.g. A 20th-level NPC is not as much of a threat as a Balor.
In 4th Edition they have scrapped Challenge Rating and simply use Level. In addition, instead of setting up a Challenge Rating to give PCs a moderate encounter using 25% of their resources, instead encounters are being designed to give meaningful challenges at that level...all you do is add a number of monsters (of that level) equal to the number of PCs.
So if the Balor is Level 20 in 4E (?), five of them would be a good match for five 20th-level PCs.
Jack99 said:These speculations are solely based on 3.5 CR rules, and thus invalid.
I disagree. The formula I use does not depend on the system, it merely depends on the same (approx.) incremental jump being used for each level. Now I will concede that we don't know if 4E uses the same jump in power each level, but I think its highly likely that it does.
Jack99 said:There is no way to know how things work out in 4e. Yes, we know that 5 lvl 10 should have a good fight against 5 lvl 10 monsters. But that doesnt mean that difficulty scales nowhere the same way as in 3.5. Maybe all you need is a lvl 16 mob in order to challenge them.
If all you need was a Level 16 mob then that would validate what I am suggesting (A 67% increase for indiduals against a five member party to maintain the same degree of challenge).
Jack99 said:Also, one more thing, do you really need a cr33 to challenge a group of 5 lvl 20 characters?
No, but you do need a Level 33 monster to challenge a group of five 20th-level characters to the same extent that five Level 20 monsters would challenge them.
However, CR and Level mean two different things, leading to lots of confusion in 3/3.5.
e.g. A 20th-level NPC is not as much of a threat as a Balor.
In 4th Edition they have scrapped Challenge Rating and simply use Level. In addition, instead of setting up a Challenge Rating to give PCs a moderate encounter using 25% of their resources, instead encounters are being designed to give meaningful challenges at that level...all you do is add a number of monsters (of that level) equal to the number of PCs.
So if the Balor is Level 20 in 4E (?), five of them would be a good match for five 20th-level PCs.