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<blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 6437978" data-attributes="member: 6779310"><p>Numenera is not what "typical" sales are like. Most indy games are lucky if they break 5K. Few break 10K. 90% of games released don't sell more than 10K lifetime on dead tree... Hell, most don't hit 10K total, counting PDF...</p><p></p><p>Numenera had 4658 backers. Of those, some 300 didn't get copies of the whole game. And set a record for RPG kickstarters. It also happened to be by one of the biggest names in the industry: Monte Cook. And it was at least 15K units in the initial run, because they had 12,000 units ordered before delivering the KS... not all of those through the KS. Plus PDF sales. It's made MCG part of that second tier... along with SJG, Mongoose, FFG, White Wolf, and Hero Games.... </p><p></p><p>Palladium routinely has print runs in the 10K-20K units, as well... and often goes to reprint. TMNT and Robotech both had more than 120K units sold during their lifetime. Rifts has, since 1990, sold over 270K units.</p><p></p><p>The pricing for a print run pretty well flattens out between 5K and 15K units... the next significant drop is about 40K-60K units. </p><p></p><p>The estimates I've seen put the print run around 50K-100K units for the 5E PHB, and a reprint already needed.</p><p></p><p>Back in 1999, they stated a print run size in excess of 50K units for the 3.0 PHB, and that by use of chinese printers and large initial volumes, they were able to keep the price down to $20 for the core book... They also used it as a nearly break-even product, planning on making up for it with splatbooks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="aramis erak, post: 6437978, member: 6779310"] Numenera is not what "typical" sales are like. Most indy games are lucky if they break 5K. Few break 10K. 90% of games released don't sell more than 10K lifetime on dead tree... Hell, most don't hit 10K total, counting PDF... Numenera had 4658 backers. Of those, some 300 didn't get copies of the whole game. And set a record for RPG kickstarters. It also happened to be by one of the biggest names in the industry: Monte Cook. And it was at least 15K units in the initial run, because they had 12,000 units ordered before delivering the KS... not all of those through the KS. Plus PDF sales. It's made MCG part of that second tier... along with SJG, Mongoose, FFG, White Wolf, and Hero Games.... Palladium routinely has print runs in the 10K-20K units, as well... and often goes to reprint. TMNT and Robotech both had more than 120K units sold during their lifetime. Rifts has, since 1990, sold over 270K units. The pricing for a print run pretty well flattens out between 5K and 15K units... the next significant drop is about 40K-60K units. The estimates I've seen put the print run around 50K-100K units for the 5E PHB, and a reprint already needed. Back in 1999, they stated a print run size in excess of 50K units for the 3.0 PHB, and that by use of chinese printers and large initial volumes, they were able to keep the price down to $20 for the core book... They also used it as a nearly break-even product, planning on making up for it with splatbooks. [/QUOTE]
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