a belated Angel thread : Conner, wtf?

[warlord]

I HATED Conner in season 4. He was just a whiny psycho. He gets better in season 5 when he has 2 sets of memories. I don't see why so many people dislike Dawn the character isn't that bad and she's really hot.

 

[ThirdWizard]

When I first saw Dawn, I so thought they were pulling a reverse Chuck (Happy Days reference). Ooh, I was upset.

He's the human son of a vampire with a soul, raised in a time compressed hell dimension. She's a 3 year old artifical construct raised as the Slayer's sister. They fight crime.

That made me laugh.

I didn't dislike him as much as some seem to have, but other than a few good lines, he didn't have much going for him. It seemed like when he was pretty much over Holtz screwing around with his head, Cordellia/Jasmine picked up the ball. And then Joss decided to cop out on trying to do something with him via the plot device that was the season 4 finale.

Under Rug Swept.

I agree that his head was basically screwed with constantly, and I can't help but think we weren't supposed to really like him. First, there's the whole Wes breaking off thing (which, I loved, but the characters really didn't). Then the whole Holtz being dead incident, and he goes all Oedipus on us. Then he started getting better, and then there the whole Jasime thing where he fights our illustrious heroes under his own free will. And it didn't help that Cordy ends up in a coma because of that fiasco, and he loses it. (Charisma, I love you!)

Then the creators must have realizes that he's done so much harm that we arn't going to forgive him soon, so away he goes. Besides, after all this, after alllll this, he's obviously way too screwed up in the head. He's caused the destruction of the world for cryin' out loud. He's broken. So, they write him off for another day (which is something Joss is really really good at, mind you - an aspect I have attempted to incorporate into my DMing).

Even though, he's really a tragic hero, you just look at him and see how he screwed up everyone's life! It isn't his fault. I know that. But wow... just... wow... how much can one person do before that doesn't matter anymore?

 

[Mad Hatter]

I only hated Dawn after she became a whiny brat. The first season she was in she was a great device to humanize Buffy a little bit more. But then, like I said, she became whiny and extraneous.

 

[drothgery]

I only hated Dawn after she became a whiny brat. The first season she was in she was a great device to humanize Buffy a little bit more. But then, like I said, she became whiny and extraneous.

Really, if Dawn was going to spend the next two seasons as a fifth wheel, then Joss really should have had her jump at the end of season five instead of Buffy, and avoided the resurrection arc in season 6 (which didn't work too well).

 

[Mad Hatter]

They could've kept that story arc, Drothgery. The next season, Dawn could've just reverted to being a lovely ball of energy. I would've like that. Especially if the gang kept there memories or even just Buffy. Rejoining the living would have been that much harder. I liked the darkness of season 6.

 

[Mark CMG]

I figured he was just a plot device that, as said above, was kept handy should DB leave the show, but that toward the end he seemed to be being groomed to possibly join Faith on a spin off (which might have been a good one).

 

[Renton]

I didn't mind Conoor so much. I liked the whole Holtz plot, and hey, it was a cheap excuse for more Darla time. Wes' character development was great too. Sure, Connor was a tad whiny, but I think he could have become a better character without the whole Wolfram ex machina memory wipe finale.

Dawn on the other hand, urk. I agree with those who think she should have died in the Glory finale.

I'd have watched a Faith/Connor spin off. Or just a Faith spin off. But not Tru Calling.

 

[ThirdWizard]

I'm still upset that Eliza Dushku turned down a spinoff, and did Tru Calling instead.

 

[Dog Moon]

Originally posted by ThirdWizard
I'm still upset that Eliza Dushku turned down a spinoff, and did Tru Calling instead.

Oh wow. I can tell I wasn't paying attention to SOMETHING since I missed THAT.


I didn't watch much of Angel after like the third season, but what I occasionally caught on TV [which was enough to know the general idea, but no specifics], Conner annoyed the heck out of me. I remember thinking he could have been cool, but no, he wasn't. Although honestly, I had the opposite feeling for Wesley when he entered the show.

Personally, I wish Doyle from season 1 had stayed in. IMO, the first season was the best season.

 

[ConnorSB]

I liked Connor a whole lot. And its not just because we share the same name... and I've always wanted to have superpowers...