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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 8514851" data-attributes="member: 15700">I've been playing since 1981.&nbsp; While I don't agree with everything 5e does (who does, really?), I have no problems with this.&nbsp; The game certainly isn't alienating to me.&nbsp; Nor to any of the other older gamers I play with.&nbsp; In fact, many of my current gaming group are also military vets (saaaayyyy wwwwhhhaaaaatttt!), so that's a double &quot;make assumptions about us&quot; whammy lol.&nbsp; But we're all pretty progressive.I really suspect that older gamers who make comments like that haven't really hung out with other groups of older gamers or in other OSR-type forums.&nbsp; We tend to go to our echo chambers. Look at folks like Luke Gygax, or Peter Atkinson (running GaryCon and GenCon respectively).&nbsp; They're both old school gamers.&nbsp; They like older editions, but they also have no issues with 5e.&nbsp;&nbsp; Everyone deserves to feel like the game appeals to them, and if that means making changes to find what this new generation of gamers likes, then so be it.&nbsp; The game has always been that way.&nbsp; I recall all the hooha over when 2e came out, and people saying that ruined the game.&nbsp; We fans of TSR era D&amp;D had our moment, and no one took away our books.&nbsp; There are still new products out there there are OSR centric.&nbsp; Who cares if WotC isn't our primary source of D&amp;D material?&nbsp; It's bringing in new gamers and increasing the popularity and acceptance of the game, and those folks deserve to have an edition they like too.I mentioned this the other day.&nbsp; Most of Critical Role are in their 40s.&nbsp; They aren't a bunch of young kids changing the game.&nbsp; And a person doesn't suddenly become a crotchety old grognard after 40.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 8514851, member: 15700"] I've been playing since 1981. While I don't agree with everything 5e does (who does, really?), I have no problems with this. The game certainly isn't alienating to me. Nor to any of the other older gamers I play with. In fact, many of my current gaming group are also military vets (saaaayyyy wwwwhhhaaaaatttt!), so that's a double "make assumptions about us" whammy lol. But we're all pretty progressive. I really suspect that older gamers who make comments like that haven't really hung out with other groups of older gamers or in other OSR-type forums. We tend to go to our echo chambers. Look at folks like Luke Gygax, or Peter Atkinson (running GaryCon and GenCon respectively). They're both old school gamers. They like older editions, but they also have no issues with 5e. Everyone deserves to feel like the game appeals to them, and if that means making changes to find what this new generation of gamers likes, then so be it. The game has always been that way. I recall all the hooha over when 2e came out, and people saying that ruined the game. We fans of TSR era D&D had our moment, and no one took away our books. There are still new products out there there are OSR centric. Who cares if WotC isn't our primary source of D&D material? It's bringing in new gamers and increasing the popularity and acceptance of the game, and those folks deserve to have an edition they like too. I mentioned this the other day. Most of Critical Role are in their 40s. They aren't a bunch of young kids changing the game. And a person doesn't suddenly become a crotchety old grognard after 40. [/QUOTE]

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