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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8517694" data-attributes="member: 18">This seems like an attempt to shift the argument away from what it's actually about, which is humanoid beings in a fantasy world. It also helps illustrate how limited D&amp;D's stats are for measuring this sort of thing.Further, you're still on about STR. That seems to be the only stat you care about. Literally you have no arguments that don't involve STR. DEX, CON, INT, WIS, and CHA can all go to hell, I guess? If your point was valid, you'd be able to argue it about any stat, but you can't. You can only even try to argue it about STR.I mean, what's got higher DEX, a wolf or a bear? Wolves clearly have extremely quick reflexes, but can't climb for toast. Bears can climb well and do all sorts of dextrous stuff with their paws. What's got higher CON? Bears can probably survive nastier injuries, but wolves likely have better endurance. Who has a higher INT? And so on.If STR is really the sole concern for you, maybe say so and we can focus on that? If not, lets hear about other stats and why they should have fixed mods.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8517694, member: 18"] This seems like an attempt to shift the argument away from what it's actually about, which is humanoid beings in a fantasy world. It also helps illustrate how limited D&D's stats are for measuring this sort of thing. Further, you're still on about STR. That seems to be the only stat you care about. Literally you have no arguments that don't involve STR. DEX, CON, INT, WIS, and CHA can all go to hell, I guess? If your point was valid, you'd be able to argue it about any stat, but you can't. You can only even try to argue it about STR. I mean, what's got higher DEX, a wolf or a bear? Wolves clearly have extremely quick reflexes, but can't climb for toast. Bears can climb well and do all sorts of dextrous stuff with their paws. What's got higher CON? Bears can probably survive nastier injuries, but wolves likely have better endurance. Who has a higher INT? And so on. If STR is really the sole concern for you, maybe say so and we can focus on that? If not, lets hear about other stats and why they should have fixed mods. [/QUOTE]

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