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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8530208" data-attributes="member: 22779">I think that many people grow up in the game looking at it through a certain lens that is then constantly reinforced by the group they played with in their formative years of gaming, where groups barely read the rules and most certainly almost never actually followed them except in the most passing of ways.&nbsp; Which means you have this group of players who insist on D&amp;D being simulationist when even a cursory examination of the game proves that it isn't true.&nbsp; The bigger question that you should be asking is, if D&amp;D is meant to be simulationist in leaning, where's the proof?&nbsp; We've pointed to how, in every edition of the game, sim was barely a consideration and frequently didn't even come close to getting it right. Again, no one seems to be able to explain to me why mountain dwarves are among the best swimmers and long jumpers, two things that dwarves are famous for NOT being able to do.&nbsp; So, where's your evidence that D&amp;D is meant to be simulationist?&nbsp; A lot of times, I think, what happens is people just assume things about the game, play that way, but, never actually take the time to examine their assumptions and then, when the big old spotlight gets shone on the fact that their assumptions are not actually supported by the text, get very defensive and turtle up, refusing to even acknowledge the issue.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 8530208, member: 22779"] I think that many people grow up in the game looking at it through a certain lens that is then constantly reinforced by the group they played with in their formative years of gaming, where groups barely read the rules and most certainly almost never actually followed them except in the most passing of ways. Which means you have this group of players who insist on D&D being simulationist when even a cursory examination of the game proves that it isn't true. The bigger question that you should be asking is, if D&D is meant to be simulationist in leaning, where's the proof? We've pointed to how, in every edition of the game, sim was barely a consideration and frequently didn't even come close to getting it right. Again, no one seems to be able to explain to me why mountain dwarves are among the best swimmers and long jumpers, two things that dwarves are famous for NOT being able to do. So, where's your evidence that D&D is meant to be simulationist? A lot of times, I think, what happens is people just assume things about the game, play that way, but, never actually take the time to examine their assumptions and then, when the big old spotlight gets shone on the fact that their assumptions are not actually supported by the text, get very defensive and turtle up, refusing to even acknowledge the issue. [/QUOTE]

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