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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jgbrowning" data-source="post: 5268666" data-attributes="member: 5724">There's two answers to this "problem" based upon if you build the game world around the players (the challenge of a location changes based upon PC power) or if you build the game world independent of the players (the challenges of a location do not change based upon PC power). If you do the former - just make the challenges harder - you've already admitted that scaling the world to fit the player's abilities is acceptable, so just do it again.If you do the latter - you wouldn't care. The PCs are playing smartly.The "problem" with the 15-minute work day is that the GM has a mental construct of "how things are supposed to happen" that the players playing smartly and sitting down to rest is disturbing enough that a smart tactical option is considered a "problem."In other words, narrative desire - the desire to have a "plot" or a "story" - is being impinged upon because the GM desires things to happen in a certain way. We're the GM impartial and relying upon the players to drive the game (as opposed to a "plot") there is no more a feeling of unease or dissatisfaction from the 15-minute work day than one gets from from when the players use any other of their available options to perform better as a group.IMO, because of the above, the problem of the 15-minute work day is wanting to play a story and not play a game.Exactly. AD&D has the "world exists independent of the character's power" as the default.No, you just re-scale the encounter according to the current 4e guidelines. The real problem is the desire a GM has for something to happen the way temporally expected.Finally, if everyone would think of some of the fun action movies or stories they enjoy, almost invariably, one will find a narrative reason as to why the 15 minute work day didn't happen. It's not like John McClain wouldn't have taken a week off to rest during Die Hard. It's not like Frodo and Sam wouldn't have rested had they that option. It's not like Rocky wouldn't have rested during the fight with Apollo.If a GM demands a narrative exist, he or she needs to learn to create narratives that make the 15 minute work week "problem" impossible or simply be willing to have the end of the world happen and everybody dies game over man, if the PCs decide to rest anyway. The fact that "the end of the world" isn't narratively pleasing contributes heavily to the belief that the 15 minute work week is a "problem." GMs thinking "I want this to happen, but they're resting even though everything should blow up... how do I change the world so what I want to happen happens regardless."In summation, IMO it's the GMs desire to control what the players do that makes a "problem" out of the 15 minute work-day. And that's probably all I have to say on the subject as I'd probably just end up repeating myself if I keep posting. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />joe b.</blockquote>

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