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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 368136" data-attributes="member: 177">No.&nbsp; The tragic thing isn't that he's considered a fantasy author.&nbsp; The tragic thing is that people so misunderstand what a fantasy author can be.&nbsp; I see a couple of major flaws of logic here.&nbsp; I'll chop a lot for brevity and focus...First - there's a problem with Boromir.&nbsp; He's under the spell of the One Ring.&nbsp; He wants it desperately.&nbsp; Under no circumstances will he allow it to go into Mordor.&nbsp; Boromir is not Gollum, used to skulking behind.&nbsp; He is a son of Denethor, a bold man of action.&nbsp; Even with Gandalf alive, he will act before the Ring can fall into the hands of Sauron's servants - before it crosses the river.&nbsp; If Gandalf or anyone else has to defend Frodo from Boromir, Boromir probably dies.&nbsp; If not, he certainly doesn't go with the rest of the Fellowship.&nbsp; Either way, such a betrayal will have some effect on the Fellowship.&nbsp; Exactly what would be hard to predict.Second, I think you vastly underestimate Gandalf.&nbsp; Tolkien has a name for people like him - &quot;The Wise&quot; - for a very good reason.&nbsp; You praise Galadriel for her wisdom, but you don't attribute that same wisdom to the one who chose Frodo for the task in the first place?Gandalf wouldn't &quot;abandon&quot; Frodo, but neither would he follow him into Mordor.&nbsp; He knows darned well that he can't - while a hobbit might pass into Mordor unseen, Gandalf cannot.&nbsp; He's not a human, he's a minor angel, and Sauron will notice him if and when he gets too close. So, IMHO, your suggested series of events falls apart roughly where the original Fellowship falls apart.&nbsp; Boromir should be quietly biding his time, and Gandalf shouldn't be an idiot.&nbsp; *shrug*.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 368136, member: 177"] No. The tragic thing isn't that he's considered a fantasy author. The tragic thing is that people so misunderstand what a fantasy author can be. I see a couple of major flaws of logic here. I'll chop a lot for brevity and focus... First - there's a problem with Boromir. He's under the spell of the One Ring. He wants it desperately. Under no circumstances will he allow it to go into Mordor. Boromir is not Gollum, used to skulking behind. He is a son of Denethor, a bold man of action. Even with Gandalf alive, he [i]will[/i] act before the Ring can fall into the hands of Sauron's servants - before it crosses the river. If Gandalf or anyone else has to defend Frodo from Boromir, Boromir probably dies. If not, he certainly doesn't go with the rest of the Fellowship. Either way, such a betrayal will have some effect on the Fellowship. Exactly what would be hard to predict. Second, I think you vastly underestimate Gandalf. Tolkien has a name for people like him - "The Wise" - for a very good reason. You praise Galadriel for her wisdom, but you don't attribute that same wisdom to the one who [i]chose[/i] Frodo for the task in the first place? Gandalf wouldn't "abandon" Frodo, but neither would he follow him into Mordor. He knows darned well that he can't - while a hobbit might pass into Mordor unseen, Gandalf cannot. He's not a human, he's a minor angel, and Sauron will notice him if and when he gets too close. So, IMHO, your suggested series of events falls apart roughly where the original Fellowship falls apart. Boromir should be quietly biding his time, and Gandalf shouldn't be an idiot. *shrug*. [/QUOTE]

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