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<blockquote data-quote="F5" data-source="post: 762814" data-attributes="member: 4607">I'm of the opinion that you can't really do epic, in the classical, legendary, Homeric sense, in an ongoing campaign.&nbsp; Epic is what you strive for when you FINISH an ongoing campaign.&nbsp; Of the games I've run, the one that felt the most &quot;epic&quot; to me ended with the characters around 5th level.&nbsp; Not high-level by any strech of the imagination, but the character accomplished the nigh-impossible, and thwarted the minions of the Dragon King from summoning him back to the realm of the living.&nbsp; That's what &quot;epic&quot; feels like, to me.&nbsp; The characters overcome all the odds and manage to accomplish the impossible.&nbsp; I think this is even harder to pull off at &quot;Epic Levels&quot; than it is at lower levels...there's considerably less that's near-impossible for a 34th level archmage/dragon disciple than there is for a 3rd level wizard.Another factor to making a storyline epic is focus.&nbsp; LoTR was the epic quest to destroy the One Ring.&nbsp; The Odyssey was epic in the scope of what Odysseus had to go through to get home.&nbsp; This is another reason it's tough to be truly epic in an ongoing campaign...most players want more than just one overarching super-goal, they're more interested in multiple, short-term goals.&nbsp; If the players just keep chasing the same Macguffin over and over again, they might lose interest.Epic-feeling games can be done.&nbsp; I think PC and Sepulchrave capture an epic feel in their story hours.&nbsp; But it's tough.&nbsp; Longer post than I intended, and bordering on the rant-ish.&nbsp; Sorry about that.&nbsp; I was trying to get my ideas clear, so I just kept writing until it sounded right.&nbsp; I'll stop myself now.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="F5, post: 762814, member: 4607"] I'm of the opinion that you can't really do epic, in the classical, legendary, Homeric sense, in an ongoing campaign. Epic is what you strive for when you FINISH an ongoing campaign. Of the games I've run, the one that felt the most "epic" to me ended with the characters around 5th level. Not high-level by any strech of the imagination, but the character accomplished the nigh-impossible, and thwarted the minions of the Dragon King from summoning him back to the realm of the living. That's what "epic" feels like, to me. The characters overcome all the odds and manage to accomplish the impossible. I think this is even harder to pull off at "Epic Levels" than it is at lower levels...there's considerably less that's near-impossible for a 34th level archmage/dragon disciple than there is for a 3rd level wizard. Another factor to making a storyline epic is focus. LoTR was the epic quest to destroy the One Ring. The Odyssey was epic in the scope of what Odysseus had to go through to get home. This is another reason it's tough to be truly epic in an ongoing campaign...most players want more than just one overarching super-goal, they're more interested in multiple, short-term goals. If the players just keep chasing the same Macguffin over and over again, they might lose interest. Epic-feeling games can be done. I think PC and Sepulchrave capture an epic feel in their story hours. But it's tough. Longer post than I intended, and bordering on the rant-ish. Sorry about that. I was trying to get my ideas clear, so I just kept writing until it sounded right. I'll stop myself now. [/QUOTE]

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