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<blockquote data-quote="Ambrus" data-source="post: 2531960" data-attributes="member: 17691"><p>Well you succeeded, R-LE-1 is now so suspicious that he has little reason to trust Bosch, Samatha or any other of these rebel "allies". He's going to be downright paranoid and distrusting about anything they do or say from now on. You may want to consider giving me the paranoid droid quirk. He's also not particularly inclined to help them anymore either. :\ I think your game logic is a bit off. Adding the defender's Int score to the attacker's Int score is screwy. By the same logic, R-LE-1 could strap a second droid processor to his head and permanently double his Intelligence score, or triple or quadruple it. To even start affecting R-LE-1's program this thing would have had to first succeed on a DC 28 Computer Use check. Being aware of its own mind, R-LE-1 should then have automatically noticed the program's intrusion and had a chance to fight it with an opposed roll. This program infiltrated all of R-LE-1's systems and hijacked them without R-LE-1 having the opportunity to detect it and fight it; no opposed Computer Use check, no opposed Int check and no Will saving throw. Assigning an nigh-impossible DC check after the fact that R-LE-1 couldn't have made even if it was 10th level is hardly fair. Likewise I believe that R-LE-1 should have had a chance to resist and/or repair the damage that was dealt to its comlink and recording devices; it doesn't matter whether the damage was harmless and temporary. If a repair droid with a Repair skill modifier of +18 can't repair its own components by taking 20 who possibly could? These are R-LE-1's two best skills and they've both proved inadequate and useless so far.My concern is that it shouldn't have happened at all. Most players I know don't enjoy having control of their PC usurped by the GM, especially not without a chance to resist and certainly not in the first few minutes of a campaign. It worries me that you thought it was a good idea in the first place.That's hard to believe now. This T.R.A.P., a tiny A.I. program, outwitted Arley's best efforts without allowing any resistance. With this kind of technology at their disposal why would the rebels ever need a mere repair droid for this mission at all?A head's up display is a fancy graphic-user interface; it's a way for a human to perceive and interpret a computer's information and to interact with it in turn. A droid doesn't need to perceive and interpret a computer's information; it <strong>is</strong> a computer. Human's don't need a HUD to interpret their body's own responses (say like pain or hunger); they simply feel them naturally. I imagine a droid's heuristic processor is the same way, its sensors feed it information and it interprets it itself internally and without the need for colorful graphics. It shouldn't be that difficult I think. Just like an organic PC I'd prefer not being told what I'm thinking or how I react to things. I'd rather just hear a description of what my character perceives and then I'll describe how I react to it on my own, like any other PC. Comlinks are just another sensor to droids, just like optical and auditory sensors. Simply describe what it is I'm sensing: "R-LE-1 intercepts a comlink transmission on a standard rebellion frequency. It is a human male's voice speaking in basic." or "Bosch holds out a device, points it at you and you perceive a split second encoded light burst. It appears to be a binary sequence encoded as a series of light pulses." Since R-LE-1's reaction would obviously be to identify it ASAP you can assume a Computer Use check has been successfully performed and divulge the results: "Your analysis reveals it to be an algorithm and a set of instructions you could use to locate and destroy the T.R.A.P.'s code within your systems. Do you want to use it to do so?" Likewise when R-LE-1 first tried to read the data on the datachip you could have said "After scanning the data on the chip your analysis reveals it to contain a log of recent rebel activities as well as an encrypted program. As you attempt to discern the purpose of the encrypted data you soon notice that it appears to be inexplicably replicating its code at alarming rate within your heuristic processor. What do you do?"</p><p></p><p>By first infecting R-LE-1 with the T.R.A.P. program and then having R-LE unable to do anything at all about it before Bosch effortlessly removed it you assured that everything I did since entering the room was invalidated. The last thing I actually succeeded in doing on my own, I believe, was to walk out of the elevator and into the briefing room.</p><p></p><p>Does any of this make sense? I'm sorry for being so blunt. I tried simply going along with it all and resolving the situation by role-playing but I don't feel I've been getting anywhere thus far. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ambrus, post: 2531960, member: 17691"] Well you succeeded, R-LE-1 is now so suspicious that he has little reason to trust Bosch, Samatha or any other of these rebel "allies". He's going to be downright paranoid and distrusting about anything they do or say from now on. You may want to consider giving me the paranoid droid quirk. He's also not particularly inclined to help them anymore either. :\ I think your game logic is a bit off. Adding the defender's Int score to the attacker's Int score is screwy. By the same logic, R-LE-1 could strap a second droid processor to his head and permanently double his Intelligence score, or triple or quadruple it. To even start affecting R-LE-1's program this thing would have had to first succeed on a DC 28 Computer Use check. Being aware of its own mind, R-LE-1 should then have automatically noticed the program's intrusion and had a chance to fight it with an opposed roll. This program infiltrated all of R-LE-1's systems and hijacked them without R-LE-1 having the opportunity to detect it and fight it; no opposed Computer Use check, no opposed Int check and no Will saving throw. Assigning an nigh-impossible DC check after the fact that R-LE-1 couldn't have made even if it was 10th level is hardly fair. Likewise I believe that R-LE-1 should have had a chance to resist and/or repair the damage that was dealt to its comlink and recording devices; it doesn't matter whether the damage was harmless and temporary. If a repair droid with a Repair skill modifier of +18 can't repair its own components by taking 20 who possibly could? These are R-LE-1's two best skills and they've both proved inadequate and useless so far.My concern is that it shouldn't have happened at all. Most players I know don't enjoy having control of their PC usurped by the GM, especially not without a chance to resist and certainly not in the first few minutes of a campaign. It worries me that you thought it was a good idea in the first place.That's hard to believe now. This T.R.A.P., a tiny A.I. program, outwitted Arley's best efforts without allowing any resistance. With this kind of technology at their disposal why would the rebels ever need a mere repair droid for this mission at all?A head's up display is a fancy graphic-user interface; it's a way for a human to perceive and interpret a computer's information and to interact with it in turn. A droid doesn't need to perceive and interpret a computer's information; it [B]is[/B] a computer. Human's don't need a HUD to interpret their body's own responses (say like pain or hunger); they simply feel them naturally. I imagine a droid's heuristic processor is the same way, its sensors feed it information and it interprets it itself internally and without the need for colorful graphics. It shouldn't be that difficult I think. Just like an organic PC I'd prefer not being told what I'm thinking or how I react to things. I'd rather just hear a description of what my character perceives and then I'll describe how I react to it on my own, like any other PC. Comlinks are just another sensor to droids, just like optical and auditory sensors. Simply describe what it is I'm sensing: "R-LE-1 intercepts a comlink transmission on a standard rebellion frequency. It is a human male's voice speaking in basic." or "Bosch holds out a device, points it at you and you perceive a split second encoded light burst. It appears to be a binary sequence encoded as a series of light pulses." Since R-LE-1's reaction would obviously be to identify it ASAP you can assume a Computer Use check has been successfully performed and divulge the results: "Your analysis reveals it to be an algorithm and a set of instructions you could use to locate and destroy the T.R.A.P.'s code within your systems. Do you want to use it to do so?" Likewise when R-LE-1 first tried to read the data on the datachip you could have said "After scanning the data on the chip your analysis reveals it to contain a log of recent rebel activities as well as an encrypted program. As you attempt to discern the purpose of the encrypted data you soon notice that it appears to be inexplicably replicating its code at alarming rate within your heuristic processor. What do you do?" By first infecting R-LE-1 with the T.R.A.P. program and then having R-LE unable to do anything at all about it before Bosch effortlessly removed it you assured that everything I did since entering the room was invalidated. The last thing I actually succeeded in doing on my own, I believe, was to walk out of the elevator and into the briefing room. Does any of this make sense? I'm sorry for being so blunt. I tried simply going along with it all and resolving the situation by role-playing but I don't feel I've been getting anywhere thus far. :heh: [/QUOTE]
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