frankthedm
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That is your opinion that the choice is distasteful. There is nothing 'scummy' about doing what is needed.takyris said:
A question about Paladins and killing.
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frankthedm
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Sorry bout the mix up there.Raloc said:
I'm 100% Whizbang would not lay traps for my Paladin to fall.
He's my first ever D&D character and a lot of his choices are due to not knowing enough of the D&D world. (his stats are Str: 11, Dex 9, Con 10, Int 13, Wis 14, Cha 15 for pete's sake)
Not only he let me multiclass to Cleric and still be able to level as a Paladin, but he's pointed me to the right direction several times. It's not about makin my Paladin fall.
We're also a group of friends who have done a rather large number of collaborative fiction together since 1997, so we know what our characters might like or do.
Emmerson is a young paladin and I am a new player. I sorta glossed over the "evil troll kills" bit, thinking they could be turned to good.
But reading on the campaign that there are 6 baby trolls, that's not an innocent victim...that's the beginnings of an invasion. So they die.
Besides, my party already hacked them to pieces.
He's my first ever D&D character and a lot of his choices are due to not knowing enough of the D&D world. (his stats are Str: 11, Dex 9, Con 10, Int 13, Wis 14, Cha 15 for pete's sake)
Not only he let me multiclass to Cleric and still be able to level as a Paladin, but he's pointed me to the right direction several times. It's not about makin my Paladin fall.
We're also a group of friends who have done a rather large number of collaborative fiction together since 1997, so we know what our characters might like or do.
Emmerson is a young paladin and I am a new player. I sorta glossed over the "evil troll kills" bit, thinking they could be turned to good.
But reading on the campaign that there are 6 baby trolls, that's not an innocent victim...that's the beginnings of an invasion. So they die.
Besides, my party already hacked them to pieces.
WhimsyTheFae
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Yeah, if a group of players are given a description of some monstrous tadpoles, a pile of human remains and told that the tadpoles were evil, I don't think that there would be any problems. They would be treated as evil monster tadpoles and destroyed. It's only the knowledge that they are babies that makes one pause.
They are monsters in a world full of monsters.
EDIT: Upon reading the OP's latest post, I must add - Well Done!
They are monsters in a world full of monsters.
EDIT: Upon reading the OP's latest post, I must add - Well Done!
Arkhandus
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Same answer as in the other, similar thread by Whizbang Dustyboots. Don't kill the baby scrags. It would be dishonorable to slay them when they cannot and did not put up a fight, and are basically helpless. Paladin's Code requires that he or she act with honor, ergo killing a helpless foe violates the code's honor requirement.
frankthedm said:
It was distasteful when they were described as babies and tadpoles. I don't play paladins to kill babies. It might be Lawful Good to volunteer to spend all day cleaning out the temple's outhouses, but I also don't play paladins to shovel... stuff. It's a simple question of what the player wants.
If you WANT to kill baby monsters, this is a great moment in gaming for you. Not so much for me. Not generally so much for most people who play paladins.
Although when they're dog-size frog-troll monsters, yeah, that's not really a problem. Anything that can bite me for 1d4 or better, and radiates as evil, isn't going to cause me to lose any sleep over.
Whizbang Dustyboots
Gnometown Hero
The use of "babies" is really inaccurate. The description I gave was that they were dog-sized tadpoles with the faces of crocodiles. There's nothing cute -- or safe -- about these guys. They were in barrels because their mother had brought them over the mountains that way.
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All right, then! On to the next moral dilemma! 
William drake
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Now, I've dealt with that before
First thing, how devoute is your character. Just cause you serve the church, doesn't mean that you arn't without your own moral compass. If you are a zelot, then you should kill the trolls no matter what age they are. They arn't animals, they are born evil "if you had been tied down, and the trolls offered you to their children as food..would they eat you?" If however youg doing all forms of magical creature as "animals" unique or otherwise, then you can make an argument that they are only doing what is in their nature, and that they are inthemselves not evil. I tend to say however that all humantype creatures are a byproduct of D&D evolution, they are then a race, and have in them a nature which, for trolls is evil unless otherwise stated. Just like half orcs, or orcs sometimes due to DM tellings, a troll may or may not be evil. you said however that these babies felt Evil to you, if confirmed with your Dm that you magical ability, through the divine is telling you that they are evil, then you must make a choice. Do you agree, or not. If you do, then their is no wrong in slaying them, if however you feel that there is a prob with this logic, then you shouldn't and now you will find your character in a new realm where he is no longer a solider of his god, but a Ronin....and that perhaps will open much better roleplaying.
I would say that it is easy to go along with the fact that you could kill the creatues and justify it, but perhaps its not where you wish to take this charcter. Or you could kill them, or only one, and afterwards have issues with it that you can use in your Roleplaying.
Use this option that the Dm has left open for you,and hope that he knows the extent inwhich you can take it for the fulfillment of your own adventure and growth as a player.
Game on.
First thing, how devoute is your character. Just cause you serve the church, doesn't mean that you arn't without your own moral compass. If you are a zelot, then you should kill the trolls no matter what age they are. They arn't animals, they are born evil "if you had been tied down, and the trolls offered you to their children as food..would they eat you?" If however youg doing all forms of magical creature as "animals" unique or otherwise, then you can make an argument that they are only doing what is in their nature, and that they are inthemselves not evil. I tend to say however that all humantype creatures are a byproduct of D&D evolution, they are then a race, and have in them a nature which, for trolls is evil unless otherwise stated. Just like half orcs, or orcs sometimes due to DM tellings, a troll may or may not be evil. you said however that these babies felt Evil to you, if confirmed with your Dm that you magical ability, through the divine is telling you that they are evil, then you must make a choice. Do you agree, or not. If you do, then their is no wrong in slaying them, if however you feel that there is a prob with this logic, then you shouldn't and now you will find your character in a new realm where he is no longer a solider of his god, but a Ronin....and that perhaps will open much better roleplaying.
I would say that it is easy to go along with the fact that you could kill the creatues and justify it, but perhaps its not where you wish to take this charcter. Or you could kill them, or only one, and afterwards have issues with it that you can use in your Roleplaying.
Use this option that the Dm has left open for you,and hope that he knows the extent inwhich you can take it for the fulfillment of your own adventure and growth as a player.
Game on.
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