A Question for Scarred Lands fans...

[Teflon Billy]

Spycraft would suck for that.

this proves that Spycraft is broken

 

[Nightfall]

Hey now. No starting "which d20 book is better". I just happen to like the treatment given for running Slitheren in THIS book. People can run them any way they like, I just think this book did a good job tsadkiel.

 

[Teflon Billy]

Well, would you agree Nightfall that it's the weakest of the Scarred Lands products to date?

 

[Nightfall]

Not sure about that. I will agree it's not as strong as say Hollowfaust...but to me what I felt was kind of weak was the Wise and the Wicked. Yes it was nice to see some notable there...but it didn't do much else other than make me evaluate them less on character and principle. I like seeing Virduk, Travik as well as Arninel (a necessary woman if you ask me!) But it felt contrived in some places as well, with some of the heroes being far weaker than the villians, like with Woodarbor. If it had some correllation to Secrets and Societies...I might feel differently. That said, Warrens wasn't the greatest but I don't know if I rate it THE weakest over all. I can pick strongest out pretty well. CC1 though was weak, in terms of bad rules and such, but as I've stated before Telfon, I'm willing to over look a lot of that for the STUFF it does have, like new and exciting monsters that ARE useable.

What drew Warrens up from being a mere 2 to a 3-3.5 would have to be the sections on running a PC type, the weapons/armor, poisions and new diseases. Well that plus the new monsters/subraces.

 

[Limper]

CC1 also happened to be the first d20 (non WOTC) product that I know of and I know it was the first critter book.... so rules wise I'll cut it some slack.

 

[Nightfall]

Right Limper. Same reason here. I'm always willing to cut people slack for being first.

 

[Knight Otu]

Even though it may be late, I'll chime in and say that Warrens of the Ratmen is quite good at what it wants to do. Just be aware that the Ratmen as PCs part is ... not really helpful.

 

[Xarlen]

Really, I didn't much care for CC2. I thumbed through the Warrens book, and MY am I tempted to go back and get it!

My next campaign is either going to be Scarred Lands, with FR spies, or FR with the Scarred Lands feel (several wars and a Lot of Crap has went down), or perhaps let a little bit of Ravenloft creep in there. Either way, me want dark!

Gooooo Slitheren!

Slitheren and Kobolds. All you ever need.

 

[Nightfall]

LOL. Xar. You and your kobold fetish! But I'm glad Warren got you back in. Perhaps R&R2 might keep you here a while.

 

[Wolfen Priest]

I love almost all of the Scarred Lands stuff, but Warrens of The Ratmen left me kind of cold.

I totally agree. Of all the SL books I've actually bought (all except Wise & Wicked, and Divine & Defeated ~ yes ALL ), I think this one was the weakest.

As was the argument for the first Creature Catalogue, they are kind of "just another humanoid race of monsters." They have all kinds of variants, which , frankly, I think is a little overdone, and as Knight Otu said, allowing them as PCs is frankly quite absurd (the ability modifiers are obscene for one thing).

Personally, I wouldn't recommend this book. Just my honest opinion.