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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TiQuinn" data-source="post: 9472315" data-attributes="member: 4871">I'd like to see what is done with Greyhawk, but I'm keeping expectations low primarily because we already know that the coming year is going to shift focus back onto Forgotten Realms. The DMG can't really hope to include all the updates of Greyhawk that fans may want beyond a very surface level, and I feel that at best it's going to be a reintroduction of details that are already largely out there. The difference is likely going to be in areas that may rankle long term fans. For example, the highly racist, very white Scarlet Brotherhood ruling over the jungle areas and enslaving or dominating the natives of those lands. I cannot imagine that depiction surviving as-is in 2024, and yet, being Greyhawk's Nazis were the entire purpose of the Scarlet Brotherhood. One of the things that I've always had trouble reconciling in my mind with Greyhawk is that on the one hand, you have very strongly defined nation states that on the brink of war with each other, which sets the tone for Greyhawk being about political intrigue, but then you have some clear anachronisms to that view, such as Murlynd, a dimension hopping demilord who made his way to Earth's Wild West and came back looking like Alan Ladd from Shane complete with six shooters. Or the secret dungeon levels of Castle Greyhawk that lead to dimensions based on Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland. Or the crashed spaceship of Expedition to the Barrier Peaks. Or the over the top deathtrap dungeon White Plume Mountain. In a way, Greyhawk is both ultra serious swords and sorcery and machinations worthy of Game of Thrones, or its totally whimsical and bounces around genres.My two cents: I hope they lean into the latter. We need more of the whimsy and zany aspects in settings rather than the dark and dour ones.</blockquote>

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