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<blockquote data-quote="eamon" data-source="post: 3660988" data-attributes="member: 51942">I'm not trying to suggest the monk is useless - just that, in combat capability, he's not even coming close, even after these modifications (and he had to take 4 levels of fighter to even get here, something many monks are lothe to do because it slows their progression in key monk abilities). One problem with these modifications, is that they're most pronounces at high level - when it's my impression that the monk is most useless at low level.&nbsp; In my games I prefer to do things like grant wholeness of body already at 1st level and removing the flurry penalty which have no impact on high levels, aren't attractive to level-dippers, and make a small difference right away.&nbsp; That done, you can always look to other improvements, but if you want this ability improvement, I'd make sure if can't be placed all in one ablity, just to avoid the kind of issues people are seeing.&nbsp; I don't think it's extremely overpowered, though.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="eamon, post: 3660988, member: 51942"] I'm not trying to suggest the monk is useless - just that, in combat capability, he's not even coming close, even after these modifications (and he had to take 4 levels of fighter to even get here, something many monks are lothe to do because it slows their progression in key monk abilities). One problem with these modifications, is that they're most pronounces at high level - when it's my impression that the monk is most useless at low level. In my games I prefer to do things like grant wholeness of body already at 1st level and removing the flurry penalty which have no impact on high levels, aren't attractive to level-dippers, and make a small difference right away. That done, you can always look to other improvements, but if you want this ability improvement, I'd make sure if can't be placed all in one ablity, just to avoid the kind of issues people are seeing. I don't think it's extremely overpowered, though. [/QUOTE]

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