A Song of Ice and Fire: Rampant Plot Speculation [Spoilers]

[ssampier]

Jaimie killing his (beloved) sister, that is intruiging. May I ask how you came to that conclusion? My personal thought is Jaime will be disgusted with Cersei''s behavior (sleeping with relatives other than him) and leave her forever.

Down with Freys, I say "yah". What about Theon Greyjoy comeuppance (even if he didn't kill Bran or Rickon)?

((This is fun, sorta lika anticipating moves in chess))

 

[jdavis]

Jaimie killing his (beloved) sister, that is intruiging. May I ask how you came to that conclusion? My personal thought is Jaime will be disgusted with Cersei''s behavior (sleeping with relatives other than him) and leave her forever.

Down with Freys, I say "yah". What about Theon Greyjoy comeuppance (even if he didn't kill Bran or Rickon)?

((This is fun, sorta lika anticipating moves in chess))

The way they were acting at the end of the last book. Jamie loves his sister but it looks more and more like she was just using him (like everybody else she uses). Eventually he will catch on, he's already well on his way, besides he really is of no more use to her anymore anyway. It wouldn't suprise me if she tried to get rid of him (and blame it on somebody else of course). Without their father there will be a power vacuum and Cersei cares more for her power than any person (even a brother). He might decide to kill her because he realizes she is just evil and needs to be killed or he could go into a jealous rage or it might come down to him just doing the right thing for his children for once. They will clash more and more as he becomes more his own person and less under her thumb, and she is going to want to distance herself from him as time goes because he really doesn't offer her anything politically (I'd look for her to start looking into finding a powerful husband, which will really set Jamie off). Besides him killing her is sort of poetic and symbolic of him realizing just what he has become. He goes to great lengths to talk about how he is a kingslayer, why not Queenslayer too.

I don't believe all the Freys will die, although I'm sure their numbers will dwindle. Martin made a point at the end of book 3 of showing that Cateyln was identifying those who were a part of the Red Wedding not those that just have the last name of Frey. I expect at least one Frey to break away from the family in the future due to the foulness of the Red Wedding. I won't go as far as saying a Frey hero but maybe a Frey with some intergrity or maybe a Frey who was too young to be involved and has witnessed what the deed has done to his family as he grows up. It seems Martin throws in a lot of family strife in and it has been shown that the Freys don't always get along with each other, it seems reasonable that one or more might want to distance themselves from such a horrible deed(particuarly when so many Freys start showing up dead).

I have to wonder about Theon Greyjoy, I mean he could just be dead in future books but I figure he will show up again. At one time I thought he might come back as somebody seeking forgiveness for past deeds but Jamie already filled that plotline and there is no need for two character redemptions. Look for him to come back either with another evil scheme or as a broken man.

 

[Mercule]

I have to wonder about Theon Greyjoy, I mean he could just be dead in future books but I figure he will show up again. At one time I thought he might come back as somebody seeking forgiveness for past deeds but Jamie already filled that plotline and there is no need for two character redemptions. Look for him to come back either with another evil scheme or as a broken man.

I'm not sure he's had a truly evil scheme, yet. The taking of Winterfell (is that right? I'm half asleep.) was more an attempt to prove himself to his people, than evil. His heart really wasn't in it. With whatever torture is being heaped on him, currently, I could see that hardening his resolve and make him "realize" that there isn't really any place that will accept him anymore. That is likely to drive him to some truly evil schemes.

Or, he was only there to break Winterfell and has served his plot usefulness. If we see him again, it will, indeed, be as a broken man who does some final deed (benevolent or spiteful) for Bran before being killed/dying.

Either way, I think he's got a death sentence coming.

 

[Sirius_Black]

Jaimie killing his (beloved) sister, that is intruiging. May I ask how you came to that conclusion? My personal thought is Jaime will be disgusted with Cersei''s behavior (sleeping with relatives other than him) and leave her forever.

As for when Jaime dies, notice I said when, not if, cause, well, I'm used to Martin by now...but when Jaime dies, I have the suspicion it will be defending his son, his King Tommen.

The Kingslayer dies defending another King who is in fact the son he never has been allowed to acknowledge.

 

[KnowTheToe]

As for when Jaime dies, notice I said when, not if, cause, well, I'm used to Martin by now...but when Jaime dies, I have the suspicion it will be defending his son, his King Tommen.

The Kingslayer dies defending another King who is in fact the son he never has been allowed to acknowledge.

oooHHHH I like that.

 

[Mercule]

oooHHHH I like that.

Eh, seems a bit melodramatic and a mishmash of cliches to me. Of course, I just watched Man in the Iron Mask last week, so I might be approaching this from a certain angle.

With d'Artangan, it seemed rather tragically heroic. I'm afraid that with Jaime it'll seem little more than pathetic -- a sad end to a sad life.