A subtle reminder from wizards.(or not so subtle)

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

I've read the ultimate comment on the Essentials series over at therpgsite:

"Me, I prefer the uncompromised 4.0 philosophy of Heinsoo and Noonan."

That's when I realized I need to stop worrying about D&D and get myself laid.

Meh. Worrying about D&D requires a lot less effort.

OMG, Essentials is D&D 4.5!

Mustrum "Of course, I an not sure the reward is the same" Ridcully

 

[UngeheuerLich]

To be honest, MM1 monsters (especially brutes) wer not up to initial release damage guideline...

i still remember the video cast where chris perkins wanted to show how much damage a stone giant brute does: "1d10 + 7 ..." pause "... yes thats a lot of damage..." or something like that...

 

[Imaro]

@ Imaro: You quoted the wrong part of his post... i believe you wanted to quote this part:
p.s.: @KB sometimes it is better to say nothing at all... if you think everything is crap and you will ignore it, why don´t you just do that?

Nope, I quoted the relevant parts of the post that I wanted to address with my comments... sorry you feel that my reluctance to accept things blindly and without some clarification is a bad thing, but then again posting my thoughts and comments is, well... the purpose of a forum.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Its not, that i can´t accept your criticism, but it is just, that this horse is more than dead, and 3.5 is not fully backwards compatble to 3.0, never was and never was it stated...

just that you can play a character with 3.0 rules and not notice a difference between those systems (like if you played a fighter only trained in his class skills and not using a tower shield)

I just feel, that your statements just show that you don´t really believe what wizards is saying (your good right)

 

[Festivus]

1. Haven't some of the "10 key essentials products" been switched over to the generic D&D product line (like the Rules Compendium)? So are we still certain there will only ever be 10 products, and if so what exactly are they?

This is likely a colloquialism but "10 key products" does not equate to "10 products". It means they are calling 10 of the essentials products out as being the main focus of the product line, not the entire line.

 

[Imaro]

Its not, that i can´t accept your criticism, but it is just, that this horse is more than dead, and 3.5 is not fully backwards compatble to 3.0, never was and never was it stated...

Uhm, ok... Current Rules Edition

The Dungeons & Dragons game has gone through several editions during its thirty years in print. The current edition is version 3.5, most frequently abbreviated as "v.3.5."
The current core rules set is still found in the Player's Handbook, Dungeon Master's Guide, and Monster Manual.​

Player's HandbookDungeon Master's GuideMonster Manual

Learn More About v.3.5​

If you are interested in learning more about v.3.5 of the D&D game, we suggest that you read the compiled D&D Revision Spotlight archive (an archive of a series of web articles that came out introducing v.3.5).
A Brief History of the Rules Editions
The Dungeons & Dragons game was first published in 1974 as three small booklets in a box. In 1978, the 1st edition of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons (AD&D) was published as larger-format hardcover books (the original Player's Handbook, Dungeon Master's Guide, and Monster Manual), followed in 1989 by 2nd edition AD&D.
In 2000, the game shed the "Advanced" from its title and reunified under the name of its birth. Third edition Dungeons & Dragons (sometimes casually referred to as "3E") provided a revitalization and far-reaching revision to the rules system.
This latest version of the rules, v.3.5, is compatible with 3rd edition D&D, but incorporates revisions and updates based on player feedback.​

What does that last sentence say?

just that you can play a character with 3.0 rules and not notice a difference between those systems (like if you played a fighter only trained in his class skills and not using a tower shield)

Yes, they said this... along with what I posted above, where they clearly state the two editions are compatible.

I just feel, that your statements just show that you don´t really believe what wizards is saying (your good right)

No, they show that words are tricky things and I want clarification as opposed to assuming they mean what I want or think they mean... apparently like some people are more than happy to do. In the end it boils down to the fact that it's not your place to police whose opinions and motivations are valid and whose aren't... since it could easily be said that we've heard your "You should just accept WotC statements blindly" opinion just as much, if not more than the opposing view.

 

[Imaro]

This is likely a colloquialism but "10 key products" does not equate to "10 products". It means they are calling 10 of the essentials products out as being the main focus of the product line, not the entire line.

Yep, and I could see this as a way to intepret what they've stated... but I've also seen posters claim, as if it was fact, that essentials will only be 10 products and then it's done. This is why I quoted that they keep posting the same thing... how about they post some clarification and details on what they keep saying?

 

[FireLance]

1. Haven't some of the "10 key essentials products" been switched over to the generic D&D product line (like the Rules Compendium)? So are we still certain there will only ever be 10 products, and if so what exactly are they?

2. But is it a revised edition?

3. Of course not, essentials isn't going to break my door down and destroy my corebooks...Of course if it's considered the de-facto starting point now, instead of the 3 corebooks, it does replace them in so far as what the current and official base game is... right?

4. So is the framework of the game changing... or not? We've already seen changes in the overall (not just in a specific build) of the mage and rogue classes.

5. Yes, and 3.0 was fully compatible with 3.5... wasn't it?

The Essential 10-word answer:
Who. Cares. As. Long. As. You. Are. Still. Having. Fun.

 

[Mirtek]

Well, it seems to me that no matter how many times WotC says:

rumors and assertions to the contrary keep cropping up.

It's almost as if people aren't paying attention when WotC says:

Not believing != not paying attentions.

Companies have lied, do lie and will lie in the futures

 

[Infiniti2000]

Companies have lied, do lie and will lie in the futures

Next thing you'll try and tell us is that people lie on the internet. I simply won't believe it and I, for one, welcome our new Essential overlords!