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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neoiceshroom" data-source="post: 5752512" data-attributes="member: 6674872">That's kind of what I wanted to get away from. I'm still contemplating on whether or not the epic meta-FX feats should be allowed to apply to epic spells prepared using FEANMERC or any similar system. My first instinct says no, but honestly I don't even know where to begin on crunching those types of numbers, plus I haven't slept in close to 30 hours so my brain is a bit on the fritz. Lots of drugs in my system to keep me awake. Mostly Caffine and Cannabinoids. However, now that my brain is feeling the relief of making progress on this problem which has been on my mind constantly since you made the post crunching Boccob's numbers, I may well pass out soon due to exhaustion.Have you had any experience with allowing meta-magic feats to affect epic spells? good idea/bad idea? Numbers crunched? data of any sort?Yeah, in fact I believe the particular excel document Belz sent to me over googledocs used a Blast ability for damage comparison. Maybe that's why the damage output seemed to be so low, despite investing doezens of DVAs.Those abilities are awesome. not only are they awesome but I'd even go so far as to say allowable in the tournament. Will keep them in mind for when I design the numerous dragons that may make appearances for this Cosmic Upheaval in the making.I must say Buugi, you sir have just been full of one awesome surprise after another. How many more aces do you have up those sleeves of yours I wonder? Also on a completely Unrelated note, I'm considering adding Thor into the Competition. He will probably be an immortal of double Strength and will only gain access to the Thunder portfolio via his Hammer. He's actually going to be a lot more like the Marvel version of Thor than the original Norse god Thor, but that's just because my universe is just insane in that regard.Probably would have levels in Threat, Swordsage/Crusader...maybe even a paladin seeing as he is Bloody fearless. I DM a lot more than just D&D. I also run d20 modern and BESMd20 which can be applied to just about any universe. I've run games of just about every genre. Everything from Pokemon, to Dragonball Z/GT, To Call of Cthulu based Resident Evil Style D20 Modern campaigns, to running characters through various scenes in Disney and Studio Ghibli films. My experience as a DM has shown me that with D20 I can create anything my brain can dream up. Allow me to paint a picture for you of why I'm trying to include Thor in my tournament before the roster completely fills up. The following piece of fluff is basically a scene replayed from a short film by Marvel Studios, released back in 2009. If you haven't seen it, WATCH IT. It's mind-blowingly epic. My friends and I were able to replicate this fight almost exactly as it happened down to the letter using D20 combat rules. With Thor Statted as an Intermediate Deity with rules from the d20 BESM game, combined with IH rules, where 10 character points = 1 divine ability. the rest translates amazingly fluidly between systems. (D20 MODERN, D&D and OFC D20 BESM) particularly a character class, simply called "SUPERHERO". Unfortuneatly the Thor I use in this tournament will be made using D&D rules, since this is a D&D tournament, but his abilities will almost identically match the Thor from Marvel's films and comics.For those who aren't familiar with the BESM D20 revised edition supplement, I highly encourage giving it a shot if you like anime/cartoons/comics or anything d20 related. It's FREE. Meant to be shared and distributed as such. Never pay to download a PDF of this file. Even the website that published it allows it to be downloaded for free.<a href="http://www.4shared.com/document/L4wCAeZe/BESM_-_D20_-_Revised_Edition.html" target="_blank">BESM - D20 - Revised Edition.pdf - 4shared.com - document sharing - download</a>The sacred ground of Asgard rumbles with distant thunder once again. The end of the Odinsleep is almost arrived. Seven days and nights of pure battle have come and passed, only at dusk of the seventh day, are the Heroes of the realm truly tested. Tested against the impossible might of a mortal beast, which is a walking nightmare, a continuous storm of rage that knows no boundaries of strength or stamina.The last of the wicked trolls, dark elves, frost giants and demons lay dead, dying or helpless, but Rage itself would seek to tear down the walls of Asgard this day, and lay low her sacred and immortal warriors. The Hulk has come to Asgard. Not a god, but a mortal beast from Midgard. The Incredible Hulk has just sent the Mighty Thor, who in vain tried to defend his brothers in arms from the beasts' might, crashing through a stone tower and into the ground, to be covered in rubble from the partially collapsed structure. As Thor Struggles to regain his composure, The Incredible Hulk, being mind controlled by his wicked step-brother Loki, of course, steps toward the Fallen Mjolnir, seeking to claim it as his own."Come to your new master Mjolnir," spoke both Loki and the terrible and massive green form of the Hulk, in perfect unison with the Manifestation of the god Himself. "And let us smite my Step-brother. For there are none stronger than Loki now" say both god and mortal beast with equally terrifying and wicked grins upon their faces.Both mortal green Hulk, and Immortal Wicked Loki reach down to grasp Mjolnir's hilt. Titanic Muscles strain with impossible strength as the Hulk attempts to bring the Legendary Warhammer to bear, but Mjölnir will not rise."RISE CURSED HAMMER!" Scream both god and beast in unison, the Hulk's voice sounding exactly the same as the god of Mischiefs'."LOKI! Enough! Your own rage fuels the beast! I can feel the spell breaking!" warns Amora, her right hand to her temple as the epic spell she wove to link Loki and the beast together, begins to snap under the sheer weight of the Hulks' impossible rage."I will... have... this... HAMMER!" Screams the god of mischief, too blind with rage to heed Amora's warning.Suddenly, just before the spell fully snaps like a twig under the inconceivable rage of the Incredible Hulk, the Hulk's enormous green face goes wide-eyed as Mjölnir returns to it's one and only true Master. The son of Odin. the Mighty Thor."Nay! You will have it's THUNDER!!!" Screams Thor as he plant's Mjölnir's hilt in the ground and the Hulk is BLASTED with a pillar of holy Lightning.-A scene from Hulk Vs. Thor (Copyright Marvel Studios 2009), replayed in D20 besm by my friends and I.Disclaimer - This was not my idea. Someone else made this up. Check out the movie's Wikipedia page for more info on who the real credit goes to. I was merely running this as an experiment to test cross-system compatibility.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulk_vs._Thor#Hulk_vs._Thor" target="_blank">Hulk Vs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a></blockquote>

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