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<blockquote data-quote="Buugipopuu" data-source="post: 5760052" data-attributes="member: 41173"><p>Is Nanami approved? If you're reintroducing Epic Spellcasting she'll need one feat retraining (as will Anaesthesia), but that's hardly an issue.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Even letting it apply to Empower Spell is still beyond the power level of a feat. Taking it once with Empower doubles a spellcaster's damage output at high levels. Even with non-stacking metamagic feats, it provides a bigger benefit than either ISC or AMC as long as you're applying two different metamagic feats to a spell at once. As long as it exists you always take it until your metamagic all costs 1 per application, and then start on AMC and ISC because they're strictly worse. Basically, any form of cost-reduction will always be too good as long as spell levels are as granular as they are.</p><p></p><p>ISC damage is basically fine as long as you don't let uncapped spells or stacking of Twin/Quicken/Repeat.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How's that supposed help with, say Dominate Monster or Flesh to Stone? Sure, immunities are easy to come by and the save DCs tend to suck, but they can be spammed to make DCs irrelevant (although rerolls make that a non-issue) and immunity penetration isn't hard to get, so they're usually either useless or unstoppable.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Surely that's true of most base classes? Single-classed builds can't really get the flexibility they need to survive anyway, with the exception of Wild Shape, but that's mainly due to the lack of PrCs that advance it and the fact that dropping Wild Shape levels is even worse than dropping caster levels.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You can get quite far with just the minimum 4 Metamagic feats and Metamagic Freedom. And Anyfeat for all the situational metamagic feats.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is more due to the lack of things for spellcasters to actually do with their feat slots but get ISC and AMC, not because ISC and AMC are overpowered. The options for spellcasters for DvAs all suck. Counterspelling is something that's neglected, but I think all the options for it are merely Epic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Buugipopuu, post: 5760052, member: 41173"] Is Nanami approved? If you're reintroducing Epic Spellcasting she'll need one feat retraining (as will Anaesthesia), but that's hardly an issue. Even letting it apply to Empower Spell is still beyond the power level of a feat. Taking it once with Empower doubles a spellcaster's damage output at high levels. Even with non-stacking metamagic feats, it provides a bigger benefit than either ISC or AMC as long as you're applying two different metamagic feats to a spell at once. As long as it exists you always take it until your metamagic all costs 1 per application, and then start on AMC and ISC because they're strictly worse. Basically, any form of cost-reduction will always be too good as long as spell levels are as granular as they are. ISC damage is basically fine as long as you don't let uncapped spells or stacking of Twin/Quicken/Repeat. How's that supposed help with, say Dominate Monster or Flesh to Stone? Sure, immunities are easy to come by and the save DCs tend to suck, but they can be spammed to make DCs irrelevant (although rerolls make that a non-issue) and immunity penetration isn't hard to get, so they're usually either useless or unstoppable. Surely that's true of most base classes? Single-classed builds can't really get the flexibility they need to survive anyway, with the exception of Wild Shape, but that's mainly due to the lack of PrCs that advance it and the fact that dropping Wild Shape levels is even worse than dropping caster levels. You can get quite far with just the minimum 4 Metamagic feats and Metamagic Freedom. And Anyfeat for all the situational metamagic feats. This is more due to the lack of things for spellcasters to actually do with their feat slots but get ISC and AMC, not because ISC and AMC are overpowered. The options for spellcasters for DvAs all suck. Counterspelling is something that's neglected, but I think all the options for it are merely Epic. [/QUOTE]
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