A tribute (i think)...

Psionicist

Explorer
Hello there friends.

I just read some threads here at the message boards as I use too, when in all of a sudden I got an idea. At first, it was a pretty odd idea, but after a while it developed to something rather interesting. There are two points, or two statements, that made me think. The first statement is...

Role-Playing Games are immature and childish!
There was a thread some days (weeks perhaps?) ago about whether or not Dungeons & Dragons and role-playing games in general are childish and immature. Most of us (say, all of us) here agree that it's not the case. It CAN be childish and immature but it totally depends on the players, the DM, the gaming style or a combination of these.
However, this is not the point. What does the average Joe Six-pack think about gamers? Some months ago there was a thread about Dungeons & Dragons over at hardforums.com. HardForums is a computer related message board with no less than 50000 members. Heck, there are tons of gamers over there but the general mood was, that D&D and RPGs are "odd", or perhaps "weird". Some thought it was childish and a very few percent actually played the game.
Okay we have one board. So I decided to post the same question over at anandtech and ars-technica (two other huge computer message boards), with the same result. I figured talking about D&D and RPGs on geek-message boards was a bad idea.
I had to find a message board with mostly non-geeks. So, I stumbled over a car-related forum and some sort of Swedish community for kids 10-25 years old that write like your average AOL-user, plus two other "generic" chat-boards. For the record I also asked five or so random people-persons at the local store.

Go figure in all of a sudden I was childish and immature, possible a "freak" and a wee bit "odd", "silly" or "weird"...

Message boards in general
Okay, statement two then, about Internet bulletin boards / forums. Something I noticed during my "research" was indeed something worth to write about here. All of the above message boards I visited were AWFUL compared to the EN World boards, with tons of immature and childish people, posts and mood, something that I never ever see here (although I used to be awfully disturbing myself, but that's another story).

My point is, and THE point is, how is it possible that something that is so childish and immature as role-playing games and dungeons & dragons, have one of the finest message boards I have ever read and visited dedicated to itself?

I find this... hard to believe actually. Heck EN World is far from the most mature and "serious" boards online but it's da*n nice people over here and it's not wrong to post jokes and things like that, and still keep the general great feeling of a mature board (in a good way that is). This is very, very rare I tell you...

Comments?
 
Last edited:

log in or register to remove this ad

Generally to enjoy roleplay you have to be able to socialise and take on or at least understand another persons point of view. This is also an important skill to hold an arguement without the need to shout, resort to offensive behaviour or generally be a complete pillock. (Do the none British folks know what a pillock is?)

You don't need this ability to play computer games (which is generally anti-social) or fix a car, or buy something in a corner shop. I would say RPG's teach diplomacy to some degree, the game depends on the players co-operating with the DM, and each other.

That and you have great moderator on this board.
 

Psionicist said:
My point is, and THE point is, how is it possible that something that is so childish and immature as role-playing games and dungeons & dragons, have one of the finest message boards I have ever read and visited dedicated to itself?
Maybe...

You, as a D&D player, are hopelessly immature and childish and are thus unable to recognize mature behaviour on the part of others. Indeed, when you see it you consider IT immature and childish.

I suggest you stop playing RPGs altogether, get your MCSE and start posting all caps flames against the platform of your choice. THAT'S mature.

Here, have a cookie. Whoops, that's immature.
 

Re: Re: A tribute (i think)...

barsoomcore said:

Maybe...

You, as a D&D player, are hopelessly immature and childish and are thus unable to recognize mature behaviour on the part of others. Indeed, when you see it you consider IT immature and childish.

I suggest you stop playing RPGs altogether, get your MCSE and start posting all caps flames against the platform of your choice. THAT'S mature.

Here, have a cookie. Whoops, that's immature.

Ehh, you obviously didn't get my point. Either that or I don't get your sarcasm...
 

Re: Re: Re: A tribute (i think)...

Psionicist said:
Ehh, you obviously didn't get my point. Either that or I don't get your sarcasm...
Forgive me. I am often so sarcastic that people don't realise I am being sarcastic. Even face-to-face I have this problem.

Yes, I was being sarcastic. ENWorld is a wonderful place and frankly, I don't find it the slightest bit unusual that a group of RPGers would create such a well-mannered and stimulating environment.
 

Actually, I could direct you to several geek boards where geek elite (by which I mean no more than people that contribute quality products to the geek community) hang out or visit that have all the qualities you describe. I think it is an attribute of true geeks that they generally can type, use language well, explain themselves lucidly, apply logic to a debate, judge a person by the quality of thier ideas and not by social standards of normality, and otherwise behave in a sensible fashion. The tolkienonline board was, especially before the movie came out, one of the most serious, witty, and interesting communities I've had the priviledge to participate in.

So yes, I agree with you ENWorld is a very nice place to hang out.

But why would you assume that what childish and immature people label childish and immature is in fact childish and immature, or that what they label mature is in fact maturity? (Hint: Read barsoomcore's post again).

Anyway, I hope you continue to enjoy the place and find it instructional.
 

Re: Re: Re: Re: A tribute (i think)...

barsoomcore said:
Forgive me. I am often so sarcastic that people don't realise I am being sarcastic. Even face-to-face I have this problem.

Yes, I was being sarcastic. ENWorld is a wonderful place and frankly, I don't find it the slightest bit unusual that a group of RPGers would create such a well-mannered and stimulating environment.
Of course, now we must wonder whether this also was sarcasm.
 

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A tribute (i think)...

jmucchiello said:
Of course, now we must wonder whether this also was sarcasm.

Vercotti: Everyone was terrified of Doug [Piranha]. I've seen grown men pull their own heads off rather than see Doug. Even Dinsdale was frightened of Doug.

2nd Interviewer: What did he do?

Vercotti: He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor, pathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious.

Presenter: By a combination of violence and sarcasm, the Piranha brothers by February 1966 controlled London and the Southeast of England.
 

"Generally to enjoy roleplay you have to be able to socialise and take on or at least understand another persons point of view. This is also an important skill to hold an arguement without the need to shout, resort to offensive behaviour or generally be a complete pillock."

Please be kind and inform my players (specifically, the rogue) of your thoughts. Unfortunately, your quote only means good gamers!

And, my hat's off to EN world, too. I can jones about gaming even while over here.
 


Remove ads

Top