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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 6704086" data-attributes="member: 29398">The OP's idea sounds like it wants to start with something like a Bard (maybe not even a 5e Bard - try 2e?) and then kitbash to suit.&nbsp; Might be workable, particularly if you first define what a Bard does as also being non-magical - they're just manipulating sound.As for the &quot;lazy-lord&quot; idea, am I to believe this type of character's main schtick is to stay in the back and buff-control from there even though it has good h.p. and can halfway fight?&nbsp; If so, I can see the appeal for a certain (despicable) type of player: the one who makes sure that everyone else in the party dies first.&nbsp; I've played with people like this - death and destruction all round yet somehow their characters always just happen to be in the right place to avoid it, mostly because they've intentionally made sure others take the risks; after which those players' characters then get rich looting both sides' dead.Let's not encourage them.&nbsp; If there's to be a warlord leader-type class let's make sure its best effects happen when it leads from the front.Lan-&quot;thinking about the Barlord class someone mentioned upthread, along with the 1d8 h.p. gin &amp; tonics from another thread...oh, the possibilities!&quot;-efan</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 6704086, member: 29398"] The OP's idea sounds like it wants to start with something like a Bard (maybe not even a 5e Bard - try 2e?) and then kitbash to suit. Might be workable, particularly if you first define what a Bard does as also being non-magical - they're just manipulating sound. As for the "lazy-lord" idea, am I to believe this type of character's main schtick is to stay in the back and buff-control from there even though it has good h.p. and can halfway fight? If so, I can see the appeal for a certain (despicable) type of player: the one who makes sure that everyone else in the party dies first. I've played with people like this - death and destruction all round yet somehow their characters always just happen to be in the right place to avoid it, mostly because they've intentionally made sure others take the risks; after which those players' characters then get rich looting both sides' dead. Let's not encourage them. If there's to be a warlord leader-type class let's make sure its best effects happen when it leads from the front. Lan-"thinking about the Barlord class someone mentioned upthread, along with the 1d8 h.p. gin & tonics from another thread...oh, the possibilities!"-efan [/QUOTE]

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