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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6710288" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Alright, well, as I've said--that isn't an argument I was making. I'm pretty sure I've been on record, repeatedly, as saying that I think the Fighter is, more or less, on-par with the other "heavy melee" classes (Paladin and Barbarian) as far as damage is concerned. I have only and exclusively been arguing--again, as I believe I have said--that I don't see a substantial damage advantage for the Fighter, at least for the first half-or-so of the game.And I know I have stated, at least elsewhere, that the bigger problem is that people talk about a significant damage advantage for the Fighter, and use this alleged significant advantage as justification for the Fighter getting effectively nothing (well, other than a relatively narrow ribbon) to contribute in terms of non-combat, from its class mechanics. It gets the same amount everyone does from Background, sure--but literally every other class, even the Barbarian (well, Totem Barbarian, anyway) picks up substantial ability to contribute to both of the other pillars beyond class skills and background benefits. As far as I can tell, the Champion and Battlemaster straight-up don't, and the standard Eldritch Knight (limited to Abjuration and Evocation) doesn't get a whole lot either.(Also, my statement about "an extra round's worth of effect" was meant to cover precisely what you said with the "additional dash action" or the like. I am highly unconvinced of the non-combat applications of Action Surge, at least partially because no DM I've had has ever required round-like adjudication of non-combat situations...except in 4e skill challenges, which every "old school" type seems to make signs-against-evil when they hear.)</blockquote>

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