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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6712211" data-attributes="member: 22779">But, that's my point.&nbsp; I'm comparing a middle of the road fighter to a middle of the road paladin and a middle of the road ranger.&nbsp; A sword and board fighter and paladin and a bow using ranger.&nbsp; All have exactly the same base damage (or within a point per hit, so, close enough). For my character to come even close to either character in damage output, I have to Action Surge at least 4 times.&nbsp; And note, I'm not exceeding their damage, I'm just drawing even.&nbsp; So, again, how is the fighter the &quot;combat master&quot;?&nbsp; THAT was the original point being made here.&nbsp; If a Battle Master has to surge and blow every single superiority die on damage TWICE, just to equal a paladin's bonus damage, how is that balanced?There's a reason fighters are <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?455464-Classes-Rated-By-Tier" target="_blank">Tier 2 Classes</a> compared to the ranger or the paladin.&nbsp; But, if fighters are supposed to be the combat masters, shouldn't that be the other way around?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6712211, member: 22779"] But, that's my point. I'm comparing a middle of the road fighter to a middle of the road paladin and a middle of the road ranger. A sword and board fighter and paladin and a bow using ranger. All have exactly the same base damage (or within a point per hit, so, close enough). For my character to come even close to either character in damage output, I have to Action Surge at least 4 times. And note, I'm not exceeding their damage, I'm just drawing even. So, again, how is the fighter the "combat master"? THAT was the original point being made here. If a Battle Master has to surge and blow every single superiority die on damage TWICE, just to equal a paladin's bonus damage, how is that balanced? There's a reason fighters are [url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?455464-Classes-Rated-By-Tier]Tier 2 Classes[/url] compared to the ranger or the paladin. But, if fighters are supposed to be the combat masters, shouldn't that be the other way around? [/QUOTE]

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