Abililty damage and enhancement penalties stacking?

[mmu1]

You're right, it's not about semantics. Why are you trying to make it that way?

The obvious intent of that line is to prevent ray of enfeeblement from disabling opponents. The spell inflicts a Strength penalty, but cannot make an opponent helpless. That's all it does.

Turning RoE into a protection spell requires a torturous semantic reading of the description's wording. Claiming that to be "common sense" is disingenuous, if not blatant trolling.

What's "trolling" is not reading the entire thread (or reading it, and not paying attention), and then jumping on someone because you're confused and have the sides of the argument reversed...

Mr. Short and Blue here is the one arguing the spell is "in the nature of an immunity".

 

[melkoriii]

OK so get this.

RoE gives you a enhancement penalty to Str.

Bull Str or Gantlets of Ogre Power give a enhancement bonus.

You always take the best of a enhancement mobifier and so the spell does nothing if you have Bull Str cast or you have The Ogre Power items.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Mr. Short and Blue here is the one arguing the spell is "in the nature of an immunity".

And you might notice, I've not once invoked "common sense" on this thread I've been very careful to use phrases like "by the wording of the text" beside the intepretation each time.

I think you owe mmu1 an "Oops", at least

Common Sense is something that happens to other people

-Hyp.

 

[DreamChaser]

OK so get this.

You always take the best of a enhancement mobifier and so the spell does nothing if you have Bull Str cast or you have The Ogre Power items.

Enhancement BONUSES don't stack (you only take the best) but penalties do stack. You have to adjust any bonuses you have by your new penalty.

DC

 

[melkoriii]

Enhancement BONUSES don't stack (you only take the best) but penalties do stack. You have to adjust any bonuses you have by your new penalty.

DC

So if someone cast two Ray's of enfeeblement and you fail the save both times you get both penalties?

I think not.

 

[Hypersmurf]

So if someone cast two Ray's of enfeeblement and you fail the save both times you get both penalties?

I think (I hope) he means penalties stack with bonuses... not penalties stack with each other.

If you have a +4 enhancement bonus, a +2 enhancement bonus, a -1 enhancement penalty, and a -2 enhancement penalty to Strength, the bonuses don't stack and the penalties don't stack, so you have an effective +4 bonus and an effective -2 penalty, which together give you a total of +2 to Strength.

-Hyp.

 

[DreamChaser]

that is the way I meant it. enhancement bonus and enhancement penalty are two different things. thus no issue of stacking...

although I read somewhere about penalties stacking even though bonuses do not...but I'm not sure about that...it seems harsh.

DC

 

[Hypersmurf]

although I read somewhere about penalties stacking even though bonuses do not...but I'm not sure about that...it seems harsh.

Maybe someone was thinking about ability damage, which does accumulate?

-Hyp.

 

[Number47]

Maybe you are thinking of ability damage? That does stack. It stacks very nicely.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Maybe you are thinking of ability damage?

Snap.

-Hyp.