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About damn time [Menagerie preview, w/art]
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Cergorach said:
I like to think so... I enjoyed creating the monsters that are in the Menagerie...
I hate to say it about VG, but we're a small company--real small, just me and a few unpaid friends. Consequently, our print runs are lower then say S&SS, GR, and a few others.
I do hope y'all will check the book out once it's out, because I think you're going to like it.
Cergorach
The Laughing One
Viking Games said:
Richard, no offense, but i don't think that's a valid 'excuse'. In the current market expecting people to pay $12.95 for 32 pages of B/W material is unrealistic (to say the least). VG isn't a company that has a big name, thus depending on 'fame' isn't an option. There are currently so many similar products out there at much more competative prices, that doesn't help either.
Have you considered making this product into a pdf that people can download (for a small price), just take a look at some of the material Monte Cook has produced on the Web for some ideas.
Another problem is that distributors (especially around here) are not going to stock this, makig this even more expensive to aquire...
Cergorach
The Laughing One
Oops! i meant to say: a lot of distributors...
Wel, you tell me:
1.) VK is an unknown quality on the D20 market, it doesn't have a large budget to make a large print run, thus it also doesn't have a large budget to do some serious advertising.
2.) Although a distributor makes more money of an expensive product, it's still a certain percentage of the product. If the distributor sells other items worth $12.95 it still makes the same amount of money.
3.) The distributor is dependant on the retail stores that will carry products, who are in turn dependant on the consumer. If the consumer finds the product to expensive (and it is at more than 40$ cents the page), and goes for a competative product that gives it better value (cheaper or more pages), the $12.95 product becomes rather expensive windowdressing. Retailers aren't stupid (atleast i hope most aren't), thus they won't order such products from the distributor, and the distributor won't buy it from VG.
This is not to 'diss' VG, i actually think that i really like the product, and given the oppertunity would buy it. But as i'm selling RPG material as well, i probably wouldn't stock this item unless there's a sudden change in the market (people demanding VG products).
I would think that if a gaming company wants to produce gaming material in a competative market it would adapt it's pricing structure to the one that's allready in place. Unless of course the material is of such a high 'must have value' that they could realisticaly ask a higher price for it. Or it could go the more competative path of 'underpricing' it's material (compared to other publishers). If the gaming company comes to the conclusion tht it wants to such a small printrun that prices are y high for the consumer, it should IMHO find alternate ways of producing it's material (such as pdf). It could of course also decide to not make a profit on the product (or even take a loss) and through recognition sell more copies next printrun/product...
But then again i'm not a marketing specialist ;-)
Wel, you tell me:
1.) VK is an unknown quality on the D20 market, it doesn't have a large budget to make a large print run, thus it also doesn't have a large budget to do some serious advertising.
2.) Although a distributor makes more money of an expensive product, it's still a certain percentage of the product. If the distributor sells other items worth $12.95 it still makes the same amount of money.
3.) The distributor is dependant on the retail stores that will carry products, who are in turn dependant on the consumer. If the consumer finds the product to expensive (and it is at more than 40$ cents the page), and goes for a competative product that gives it better value (cheaper or more pages), the $12.95 product becomes rather expensive windowdressing. Retailers aren't stupid (atleast i hope most aren't), thus they won't order such products from the distributor, and the distributor won't buy it from VG.
This is not to 'diss' VG, i actually think that i really like the product, and given the oppertunity would buy it. But as i'm selling RPG material as well, i probably wouldn't stock this item unless there's a sudden change in the market (people demanding VG products).
I would think that if a gaming company wants to produce gaming material in a competative market it would adapt it's pricing structure to the one that's allready in place. Unless of course the material is of such a high 'must have value' that they could realisticaly ask a higher price for it. Or it could go the more competative path of 'underpricing' it's material (compared to other publishers). If the gaming company comes to the conclusion tht it wants to such a small printrun that prices are y high for the consumer, it should IMHO find alternate ways of producing it's material (such as pdf). It could of course also decide to not make a profit on the product (or even take a loss) and through recognition sell more copies next printrun/product...
But then again i'm not a marketing specialist ;-)
JoeGKushner
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tensen said:
I'm not a specialist or anything withe the market but I can quickly see a time when 32 page books all cost about this much. It's still not a bad price if the content is strong. I'd like to see some previews via Gaming Frontiers or Campaign Magazine though.
Part of the problem is the D20 Arms Race as I've seen it referred to. Because of all the competition, quality alone is not a selling factor.
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