Adamantine Defending Sword.

[Hypersmurf]

When the enhancement bonus gets transferred away for defending, do you normally get to keep the +1 masterwork bonus to hit (since all magic weapons are masterwork)?

I've never even considered the possibility that the answer to this question might be "No".

And I can't fathom the logic behind the Sage reply on adamantine.

If I have a spell that gives a +4 Enhancement bonus to Strength, and another spell that gives a +2 Enhancement bonus to Strength, I have a total effective +4 bonus.

But if the first spell somehow gets suppressed, I still have a +2 bonus!

-Hyp.

 

[green slime]

I've never even considered the possibility that the answer to this question might be "No".

And I can't fathom the logic behind the Sage reply on adamantine.

If I have a spell that gives a +4 Enhancement bonus to Strength, and another spell that gives a +2 Enhancement bonus to Strength, I have a total effective +4 bonus.

But if the first spell somehow gets suppressed, I still have a +2 bonus!

-Hyp.

That is because you aren't made out of adamantine!

Now if you'd been an adamantine golem....

 

[DanMcS]

If I have a spell that gives a +4 Enhancement bonus to Strength, and another spell that gives a +2 Enhancement bonus to Strength, I have a total effective +4 bonus.

But if the first spell somehow gets suppressed, I still have a +2 bonus!

The magical +2 on the sword isn't supressed. It's redirected, but still there, so it still takes the place of the adamantite +2.

 

[Hypersmurf]

My view on overlapping has never been one replaces another, though. There are two things providing the same bonus.

It's like if you're standing on a chair, and someone puts another chair beside it; you now have two choices of which chair to stand on, and if one gets taken away, you don't fall. But just because there are two chairs, you aren't standing any higher than if you only had one.

That's overlapping.

But if someone comes and stands another chair on top of one of the first chairs, you are higher up than you were.

That's stacking.

If I have a +2 Magical Chair and a +2 Adamantine Chair, and someone takes my Magical Chair away for someone else to stand on temporarily, I still have a +2 Adamantine Chair to stand on, and I'm still 2 feet off the ground. The chairs aren't tied together; when the magical chair is taken away, the adamantine chair doesn't go with it.

And if they're both taken away for some reason, I can still stay a foot off the ground on my +1 Masterwork Footstool.

-Hyp.

 

[Mike Sullivan]

I apologize in advance for this post.




So, what you're doing, then, is stepping off of your Magic Chair onto your Adamantine Chair, and then picking up your Magic Chair and putting it over your head so that it absorbs the blows of the nearbye Hill Giant (standing on his Strength Couch).


...

Heeeeeee. Okay, that probably wasn't funny to anyone but me. I really enjoy the chair metaphor, though.

 

[jeffhartsell]

GMW + defending?

Okay, so if I have a +2 defending weapon with a +5 GMW on it and I transfer +2 to AC, do I still have a +5 to-hit bonus from the GMW?

My thinking is that defending lets you take a MINUS to-hit in order to gain a bonus to AC and the amount of the minus can be less than or equal to the enhancement bonus on the weapon.

So, in the above case w/o the +5 GMW you can take a -2 to-hit to gain a +2 AC and w/ +5 GMW you can take a -5 to-hit to get a +5 AC.

A +1 defending adamantime longsword IMO allows the user to take up to a -2 to-hit to get +2 AC. But that opens up another can of what type of bonus does the adamantium grant.

 

[drnuncheon]

Here's one, then:

What if it's only a +1 defending adamantine bastard sword?

You're 'using' the natural enhancement bonus of the adamantine then, not the magical enhancement bonus. So if you put the magical enhancement bonus into AC, why would your adamantine bonus suffer? You weren't using the magical bonus in the first place, so taking it away shouldn't make a difference...

J

 

[kreynolds]

Re: GMW + defending?

Okay, so if I have a +2 defending weapon with a +5 GMW on it and I transfer +2 to AC, do I still have a +5 to-hit bonus from the GMW?

Not according to the Sage. I don't know if he's changed his mind since then though. This was the entire question to the reply I posted up above, by the way...

question: if a staff +5 defender has greater magic weapon cast on it with a caster level 12 and the character uses the defender ability to make it +5AC, +0 to hit does the enhancement bonus from GMW take precedence and make it a +4 to hit, +5AC weapon?

No, if you allocate all a defending weapon's bonus to defense, you have no bonus left over for attacks; the same would hold true if you were wielding an adamantine defending weapon. (The bonus you've allocated to defense is still there, and it still doesn't stack with any other bonus the weapon might have.) Note that of you had a +1 defending weapon and you made it +5 with greater magic weapon, you could only devote +1 to defense (giving you +1 AC and +4 attack).

 

[jeffhartsell]

Re: Re: GMW + defending?

Not according to the Sage. I don't know if he's changed his mind since then though. This was the entire question to the reply I posted up above, by the way...

Mine was a rhetorical question

I think you take a minus to-hit in order to get a bonus to AC. How much of a bonus depends on the enhancement bonus. Since you have a +5 GMW, you get:

+5 to-hit and +5 damage

If you take a -5 to-hit to get a +5 AC, you don't have a bonus to hit "uncover" because you "used up" the GMW.

/sarcasam
MUNCHKIN RIDDLE
Okay, you've got a +1 defending longsword with a +5 Greater Magic Weapon cast on it, how much enhancement bonus can you transfer to your AC and what is your to-hit after the transfer?

MUNCHKIN ANSWER
Since the GMW increases the enhancement bonus I can transfer +5 to my AC. Moreover, since the GMW overlaps the base bonus of the weapon, I still have the +1 bonus left on the weapon due to overlap, therefore, I get +1 to-hit and +5 to AC.

DM RESPONSE
Um, but you only had a +5 to-hit originally? How are you getting +6 in bonuses now?

MUNCHKIN REPONSE
Well, I paid a lot for that defending power and the GMW overlaps, so I just use up the magic spell power which leaves me with the weapons power. If you don't let me do that you are totally screwing me.

 

[Hejdun]

First, what I understand from this description is that I can apply the full +2 magic enhancement bonus to my AC using the defending proerty, while the weapon remains +2 to hit and damage because of it's adamantine nature. Is this correct?

It would seem so. That's pretty nifty, and almost counteracts the complete uselessness as is in the 3e rules.

See, the two different +2 bonuses overlap, so when you take away one, you still have the other.

Second, used in this fasion, does the +2 from adamantine penetrate DR (using 3.0 rules), or ccan I only pentretae DR XX/+2 when not using this weapon in a defending fashion.

Adamantine never penetrates DR in 3e, which is complete bull, but it's the official answer (see MM2).