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Adamantite Bypassing DR?

2kreynolds:
Yes, but wouldn`t it be to easy to use such obvious reasons for allowing Admantite Weapons to bypass DR.

And the reast, please, ignore JLXC`s comment, this is once again a much to easy way.

Mustrum "who sometimeswonder what discussions come up" Ridcully

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ConcreteBuddha said:
Sorry, kreynolds, by this rationale, a Ring of Natural Armor (2,000gp) should give a competence bonus to AC because a Ring of Climbing (2,000gp) is also a competence bonus.

Not exactly. The only benefit to adamantine is that the enhancement bonus is retained in an antimagic field. Not a big deal. I contend that is what the extra 1,000gp is for. The rest of the cost is the exact same as a standard magical weapon.
 

Mustrum_Ridcully said:
2kreynolds:
Yes, but wouldn`t it be to easy to use such obvious reasons for allowing Admantite Weapons to bypass DR.

Is this a question or a statement? If it's a question, what exactly are you trying to ask?

EDIT: AHA! LOL I get it now! :D
 
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kreynolds said:
Not exactly. The only benefit to adamantine is that the enhancement bonus is retained in an antimagic field.

Not exactly. Adamantine has better hardness and HPs, as well. Price rationalization will get you nowhere.
 

AGGEMAM said:
Not exactly. Adamantine has better hardness and HPs, as well.

That's true, but an increase in hardness isn't that big of a deal. Though I suppose when you couple that with the exotic nature of adamantine retaining the bonus in an antimagic field or a dead magic zone, 1,000gp probably wouldn't cover both of those factors. Hmmm. Kinda wishy washy.

AGGEMAM said:
Price rationalization will get you nowhere.

Really? It brought us here didn't it? Nobody had pointed it out yet, so I figured what the hell, why not mention it. :)
 

"DR is bypassed by weapons with an enhancement bonus; it doesn't matter if that enhancement bonus comes from a spell, the CMAAA feat, or adamantine. So yes, the adamantine longsword cuts right through DR X/+2."

That's pretty cut and dry...
 

Jeremy said:
"DR is bypassed by weapons with an enhancement bonus; it doesn't matter if that enhancement bonus comes from a spell, the CMAAA feat, or adamantine. So yes, the adamantine longsword cuts right through DR X/+2."

That's pretty cut and dry...

Except that SKR didn't write the DMG.

For what it's worth, I have to agree that a strict rules-lawyer reading of the table in the DMG doesn't seem to differentiate between a magical enhancement bonus and a natural enhancement bonus.

I also agree with the Sage, I think that it was intended that only magical enhancement bonuses could be used to penetrate DR, and that Adamantite doesn't have a magical bonus (because it retains it even in an antimagic field.)

You might want to ask Monte Cook, he was the one in charge of the DMG.
 

Seeing as the price is exactly 1000gp greater, for all types of adamantine, regardless of bonus, than similar magical weapons, then we can assume that the 1000 gp is meant to account for the indispelability/inflexibility/extra hardness of the adamantine. If adamantine does not overcome DR, then it is indeed very weak, and yet somehow it costs more than an "equivalent" magical item.

If you want to argue on strict basis of rules, then adamantine does bypass DR because it is an enhancement bonus, and enhancement bonuses bypass DR. If you want to argue on the basis of intent, then adamantine bypasses DR because otherwise it would be dreadfully underpowered for it's incredible price and rarity.

Concretebuddha, if you check the SRD under special abilities, you will see nothing that says anything like "nonmagical weapons do not bypass DR." In fact, if you read carefully, you will even see that it does not limit the bypassing of DR strictly to nonmagical weapons, and explicitly says that "a certain type of weapon—usually a magic weapon" can overcome DR. And indeed, the word "nonmagical" isn't even mentioned anywhere near the DR section, and only mentioned twice on the page (under the "extraordinary abilities" and "incorporeality" sections).

The FAQ is indeed very specific in referring to a weapon's magical enhancement bonus bypassing DR. But I refer you to "a square is always a rectangle, but a rectangle is not always a square"..in other words, a magical weapon (a square) is able to bypass DR (is a rectangle), but that does not mean that a nonmagical weapon with an enhancement bonus (a non-square rectangle) is not also able to bypass DR (is not also a rectangle).
 

Caliban said:


Except that SKR didn't write the DMG.

For what it's worth, I have to agree that a strict rules-lawyer reading of the table in the DMG doesn't seem to differentiate between a magical enhancement bonus and a natural enhancement bonus.

I also agree with the Sage, I think that it was intended that only magical enhancement bonuses could be used to penetrate DR, and that Adamantite doesn't have a magical bonus (because it retains it even in an antimagic field.)

You might want to ask Monte Cook, he was the one in charge of the DMG.

nooooooo! a non-comittal answer from Caliban? okay ... sage or skr ... anyone got a monte answer?

alrighty then ... I'm going with the sage on this one too ...
 


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