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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kobold Stew" data-source="post: 9342721" data-attributes="member: 23484">Might it be productive to see these as two independent dials, rather than just narrowing a single dial? For me:Pact determines they way you are approaching a problem. Specifically, in combat, but it need not be that. Your pact choice will govern the sorts of things you want to be able to do day in-day-out.Patron determines the flavour of how you approach a problem. It shapes the story you want to tell, and they way you are going to describe and imagine things happening.Both of those are crucial to the chassis, and (for me) are what makes the Warlord design work well. The same patron but different pacts will play differently, but can share lore. That, for me, is what I would want to transfer for class design.The Warlock then gives you additional tricks, again operating with two dials -- a limited number of spells and quite a high number of feats/invocations, that allow for further customization and importantly) shared abilities despite how players set those first two dials.</blockquote>