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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9366886" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Whereas I'm the reverse. The most recent 5.5e stuff we've seen is actually quite good, and creates a fun, flexible structure for building what you want out of a class. The Playtest...4(? 5?) Warlock was absolute trash, a straight-up massive nerf (seriously, they took away Mystic Arcana and made it an Invocation...and then only added ONE additional invocation. Meaning they literally took away 3 invocations!) pretending to be giving &quot;choice&quot; and &quot;freedom.&quot;I've been playing a Playtest 7 Celestial Warlock with the Blade and Tome pacts, and in a low-magic game, it absolutely feels spot-on. Frankly, I feel more like &quot;actual&quot; Vancian spellcasting than any other spellcaster I've ever played--I have a couple baseline tricks, and the rest of the time I have to rely on my sword or my magic darts. Add in being a halfway-okay healer (cure wounds on a short rest + Healing Light dice mean we don't need a Cleric to keep people topped up), and I feel like a genuinely well-rounded support character, someone the party relies on, but not someone the party is outclassed by.I have to be cautious in combat because my AC is merely passable (14), but I have the option of fighting both in melee (Blade pact) and at range (eldritch blast). I can use spells for both offense (flaming sphere) and defense/support, but can't use them frivolously--every spell has to count. With Tome, I've got the ability to fill the party's ritual-caster spot. And soon, I'll be able to pick up the Invocation that gives proficiency in Persuasion and Deception, meaning I'll be a versatile, well-rounded, but not dominant force in any part of play I might want to participate in.5e isn't really a game designed for my interests. But at least with the Playtest 7 Warlock, I can massage it into something vaguely resembling what does interest me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9366886, member: 6790260"] Whereas I'm the reverse. The most recent 5.5e stuff we've seen is actually quite good, and creates a fun, flexible structure for building what you [I]want[/I] out of a class. The Playtest...4(? 5?) Warlock was absolute trash, a straight-up massive nerf (seriously, they took away Mystic Arcana and made it an Invocation...and then only added ONE additional invocation. Meaning they literally took away 3 invocations!) pretending to be giving "choice" and "freedom." I've been playing a Playtest 7 Celestial Warlock with the Blade and Tome pacts, and in a low-magic game, it absolutely feels spot-on. Frankly, I feel more like "actual" Vancian spellcasting than any other spellcaster I've ever played--I have a couple baseline tricks, and the rest of the time I have to rely on my sword or my magic darts. Add in being a halfway-okay healer ([I]cure wounds[/I] on a short rest + Healing Light dice mean we don't need a Cleric to keep people topped up), and I feel like a genuinely well-rounded support character, someone the party relies on, but not someone the party is outclassed by. I have to be cautious in combat because my AC is merely passable (14), but I have the option of fighting both in melee (Blade pact) and at range ([I]eldritch blast[/I]). I can use spells for both offense ([I]flaming sphere[/I]) and defense/support, but can't use them frivolously--every spell has to count. With Tome, I've got the ability to fill the party's ritual-caster spot. And soon, I'll be able to pick up the Invocation that gives proficiency in Persuasion and Deception, meaning I'll be a versatile, well-rounded, but not [I]dominant[/I] force in any part of play I might want to participate in. 5e isn't really a game designed for my interests. But at least with the Playtest 7 Warlock, I can massage it into something vaguely resembling what [I]does[/I] interest me. [/QUOTE]

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