Adding weapon special abilities to amulet of mighty fists

[Cedric]

Because Last i checked INA represents a larger natural weapon, Bigger jaws or paws, or an impresive rack of horns. A Human with INA would look like knocker from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back and even that does not work since a monk is entitled to use other body parts with thier unarmed strike. IMO Those who are trying to say the monk can take INA are trying to abuse the sentence wotc added to the monk so that thier unarmed strikes could recieve weapon buffing spells. A sentence I am not keen on in the first place.

The actual text in the MM about INA says,

The creatures natural attacks are more dangerous than its size and type would otherwise dictate.

I'm not sure why people read that to understand that the body part used in the natural attack is physically larger.

 

[frankthedm]

I'm not sure why people read that to understand that the body part used in the natural attack is physically larger.

Becuase the feat is not supernatural. Weapons are made more dangerous by being larger or sharper.

 

[Cedric]

Becuase the feat is not supernatural. Weapons are made more dangerours by being larger or sharper.

Or subtely greater bone density allows for harder impacts.
Or natural flexibility of joints allows for faster strikes.
Or naturally superior musculature and weight distribution allows for notably more solid hits

 

[frankthedm]

Or subtely greater bone density allows for harder impacts.
Or natural flexibility of joints allows for faster strikes.
Or naturally superior musculature and weight distribution allows for notably more solid hits

If that explanation worked, non monk humanoids could take the feat too.

 

[Cedric]

If that explanation worked, non monk humanoids could take the feat too.

They can, if they have a natural attack.

 

[The Grackle]

They have a masterwork unarmed strike?

-Hyp.

Only when they use ki strike (adamantium).

 

[Moon-Lancer]

frankthedm, i dont know why your so obsessed with big hands. It even says in ina, that the they do not get bigger by saying they are more dangerous then size and type would dictact. So the size does not dictate its power with ina. But you can have it be viewed anyway you wish, but i feel that it is alittle silly to think that only size matters, becuse all the girls know, that its how you use it that counts, size helps too.

bruce lee so had ina, its not even funny.

/rant on

The amulet of Might Fists and the four (!!!) boosting items critical to a monk that all require the neck slot (Amulet of Might Fists, Periapt of Wisdom, Amulet of Health, and Amulet of Natural Armour) are two of the biggest reasons why the monk is considered a weak combat class.

DND is item-centric. Yet the monk's offensive weapons cost 3x regular weapons to enchant by RAW, you're limited to +# bonuses with them, *and* it takes up a body slot that no other combat class has to deal with, that also overlaps with three other critical monk magic items!

It literally boggles my mind how so many people on these very forums can, in one thread, merrily blast the monk for being a laughably underpowered combat class, yet in other threads deny them Improved Natural Attacks, or refuse to allow them any leeway with the Amulet of Might Fists, because that would be overpowered.

Gee, I wonder why the monk is considered an underpowered combatant? Can't figure it out. Strange, the mysteries of DND...: )

/rant off

ohhhh nice rant so true. Savage speaces had an amulit that let you add flameing to your fists (and all the other equivlents.)

 

[Kmart Kommando]

Or subtely greater bone density allows for harder impacts.
Or natural flexibility of joints allows for faster strikes.
Or naturally superior musculature and weight distribution allows for notably more solid hits

That's exactly describing real world martial artists as well. When a real guy is smashing stuff that Joe Schmoe can't dent without driving his car into it, that certainly sounds like Improved Natural Attack to me.

 

[IcyCool]

That's exactly describing real world martial artists as well. When a real guy is smashing stuff that Joe Schmoe can't dent without driving his car into it, that certainly sounds like Improved Natural Attack to me.

Or, you know, a high level monk.

 

[Cedric]

Or, you know, a high level monk.

FWIW I tried to limit the three examples I posted to items related to stature and physiology. Because I knew that if I used examples involing skill or technique that would reflect back to a Monk's existing increase in base damage based on level.

Regardless though, I just took issue with the concept that an "Improved Natural Attack" had to be the result of a larger body part.