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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 6324418" data-attributes="member: 6716779">I'll try to offer some support to Emerikol. He is basically opposed to rapid non magical healing and tends towasrds the hit points= meat arguement. I do not care what hit points are myself but fall into the no fast healing without magic camp. This is how D&D was played in 5/6 editions od D&D. By choosing the 4E option in terms of fast healing they are excluding the play style laid down by ) D&D,1st,2nd, 3rd and 4E. They baked in 2nd wind as a class feature for example on all fighters. Neither myself or Emerikol would have cared if it was only on one subclass of fighters. Now Pathfinder has rapid healing as well in the forms of wands of CLW which I am not a fan of but.1. It is still magical healing and2. It is not baked in as such. It is easily banned. Now one could ban second wind I suppose but it is a major fighter feature, it would be like banning a major class feature of Rogues (sneak attack) or a level of spells for a spell caster. Some have suggest toughness as another option but it is actually a lot weaker than 2nd wind.What we also know is Pathfinder is the biggest RPG on the block right now. I am sure in the short term D&D will displace it but people who do not like 4Eisms liike fast natural healing have plenty of other options. We already know 4E tanked because the player base bailed en masse to Pathfinder and bailed on 4E.  If you go over to Paizos forums they are about as active as ENworld and the WoTC forums put together. If they do not win over a large % of those players or replace them with new players D&DN is screwed and will follow 4th eds tracks. Regardless of ones preference though I think D&DN has 2 things going for it.1. The D&D name.2. 3.5 was only 5 years old in 2008. Maybe enough of those players are ready to move on now it has been 11 years since 3.5 came out IDK. I am convinced the majority who participated in the surveys prefer fast non magical healing. I'm not convinced they asked the right questions or if the online users represent the majority of people who will throw down money and buy D&D. D&DN is more or less ignored on the Paizo forums for example despite having a section set aside for 4E and beyond. After all they told 80 000 odd DDI subscribers about D&DN, that alone could account for around half the respondents on the surveys. One way or another we should know by 2016 or so in regards to D&DNs reception once the initial bubble dies down. If they have 2 editions of "new" D&D tank in a row they should be able to figure it out.</blockquote>

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