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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4896662" data-attributes="member: 71571">Fireball does not say you 'can' deal 3d6 + Intellegence damage.  So the damage cannot be reduced by general rules such as immunity or resistance.  You can't increase it by feats.  I know these things -say- you can, but because Fireball doesn't say you 'can' do that amount of damage, this specific power trumps all these other cases.Thunderwave says I push a creature my wisdom modifier in squares.  Now, it doesn't say I -can- so even tho a rule exists saying I can, that doesn't apply because the language is 'definate' and therefore I must push exactly that number of squares.No, the rule disagrees with the general rule of rolling 20s.  It has explicit language that contradicts it.  It gives you a situation where you score criticals outside of rolling 20s.  That is how an exception works.  They are explicit and direct.The rule doesn't go on to say you automaticly hit, which means that the rule that -governs- those exceptions still applies.There IS an exception to the first general rule.  The second is unmentioned.  You are applying it to the wrong ruleHow, -exactly- does it do so?  Where does the darn ability say you -actually automaticly hit-?You have a rule that states, BLATANTLY, that scoring a critical hit does not mean that you automaticly hit.So, what part of 'scoring a critical hit' means that suddenly you can automaticly hit?  Exactly?  The absense of the word 'can'?  Is -that- the difference?  Wouldn't it actually be -explicit- when it automatically hit?Because, and I want to point out, Precision doesn't -actually care.-  Whether or not the ability says 'can' is -irrelevant- to Precision.Check.  Is the ability an ability that allows you to score critical hits on non-20 rolls?  Yes.  Then Precision can apply.  Does the ability have any text that -explicitly- states otherwise?  No.  The 'score critical hit' wording doesn't mean that it is automatic, because if it did, it'd actually say so.The absense of the word 'can' is not relevant.  The absense of the word 'automatic' is the more -telling- word.  No language in the ability says otherwise.There IS no exception, you actually have ti twist the language to find one... and dubiously at that. Because they never include redundant rules text or clarifications in 4th edition?Because they wanted it to be certain the ability is in no way an exception to the 1s auto miss rule?This is a strong exception to the rules:  Oath of Emnity.  It doesn't ambivalantly hint that you might be able to roll two dice.This ability is -not- a strong exception to the rules.  It merely mentions a case that never happens with any other critical range altering ability, because no other ability can 'potentially' crit on a 1.  I thought that was obvious, I mean you don't expect an ability that says 'you can crit on a natural roll of 18-20' to say 'oh by the way, you still miss on a 1' because that IS redundant.I dunno how better to explain it.  You might think 'score a critical hit' doesn't mean 'score a critical hit' and that Precision uses magical space language to ignore it, or it uses magical space language to ignore Precision, but the fact is clear.The terms used are -the same- and -verbatim-.  And no other language suggests otherwise.  You have a rule.  No exception exists.  Apply the damn rule.It's -really- that straightforward.Until then, look for the word 'automatic' in that feature and get back to me when it magically shows up.</blockquote>

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