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<blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 4906377" data-attributes="member: 111">Here's the rules on a Critical Hit as presented in the Rules Compendium:Note that Precision is given in the context of of rolling a single number on a attack die, and the whole set of rules is presented somewhat differently here.The situation here is an entirely new one - rolling the same number on the two attack dice granted by an Avenger's Oath of Enmity.So, is &quot;If you roll a 20 on the die when making an attack roll, you score a critical hit...So, I have a question, and I think it is truly the key question is:&quot;If you roll a 20 on the die when making an attack roll, you score a critical hit if your total attack roll is high enough to hit your target’s defense...&quot; applicable when you are using the result of an attack roll but are instead using matching die rolls on the two attacks rolls granted by the oath of enmity class feature?&quot; In my opinion, the Holy Ardent PP class&nbsp; feature creates an entirely new situation that is not based upon the results of an attack roll, and therefore is entirely independent of the previously-existing rules on how to determine a Critical Hit.This is because the previous rules where all in the context of making a single attack roll, or, previous to Holy Ardent, the best result of more than one attack roll if a power gave you more than one attack roll.&nbsp; Holy Ardent presents an entirely new situation that is a new context for Critical Hits - that of matching two d20 die rolls.I am not entirely sure what was intended, but I think that's the way it is written.&nbsp; Mind you, the line about two 1s is some supporting evidence of intent, but... maybe, maybe not.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Artoomis, post: 4906377, member: 111"] Here's the rules on a Critical Hit as presented in the Rules Compendium: Note that Precision is given in the context of of rolling a single number on a attack die, and the whole set of rules is presented somewhat differently here. The situation here is an entirely new one - rolling the same number on the two attack dice granted by an Avenger's Oath of Enmity. So, is "If you roll a 20 on the die when making an attack roll, you score a critical hit... So, I have a question, and I think it is truly the key question is: [u]"If you roll a 20 on the die when making an attack roll, you score a critical hit [b][i]if your total attack roll is high enough to hit your target’s defense[/i][/b][i][/i]..." applicable when you are using the result of an attack roll but are instead using [b][i]matching die rolls[/i][/b][i][/i] on the two attacks rolls granted by the oath of enmity class feature?" [/u] In my opinion, the Holy Ardent PP class feature [B][I]creates an entirely new situation[/I][/B] that is not based upon the results of an attack roll, and therefore is entirely independent of the previously-existing rules on how to determine a Critical Hit. This is because the previous rules where all in the context of making a single attack roll, or, previous to Holy Ardent, the best result of more than one attack roll if a power gave you more than one attack roll. Holy Ardent presents an entirely new situation that is a new context for Critical Hits - that of matching two d20 die rolls. I am not entirely sure what was intended, but I think that's the way it is written. Mind you, the line about two 1s is some supporting evidence of intent, but... maybe, maybe not. [/QUOTE]

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