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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CovertOps" data-source="post: 4907238" data-attributes="member: 65152">The correct equation would look like this:A = Rolls a 20B = Class feature that allows you to roll some other number than a 20 and get a critC = A roll high enough to hit the targetif (A or B) AND CFurther modified to the following for Holy Ardor:D = If you roll doubles when using your OoE class featureif (A or B or D) AND CPrecision specifically allows ways to get a critical other than rolling a 20, but does not say anything about those rolls being an auto-hit.Holy Ardor gives a way to get a critical other than rolling a 20, but does not say anything about being auto-hit.You can keep adding as many cases to the ( or  or  or  or ) part above for as many ways as the designers can think up to grant a crit, but that does not make them an automatic hit unless the power says so.You have to refer back to the base rules for OoE:  No books at work so I'm going to have to paraphrase (but if someone has access to compendium feel free to post the exact quote).  You are allowed to roll 2 dice (under certain conditions) to hit and "PICK ONE" or "PICK THE HIGHER OF THE TWO" of those results to determine if you hit.  Obviously if you roll doubles there is no choice as both rolls are the same.  This leaves you with 2 die rolls so you can determine if you have a chance to critical AND it leaves you with a single result with which to evaluate the result of C (a roll high enough to hit).  Again this is NOT a new situation as the rules already give you a way to evaluate the result of 2 dice rolls.  Also, if this were true think of all the other rules that the two dice rolls would break if your intrepretation was correct.Continuing to make the same assertion over and over does not make it true.  "Critical hit" is not equal to a hit.  A crit can be a miss.  You can also hit with a 20 and not crit.  Nothing in Holy Ardor contradicts with anything in precision.  They work together as intended.  The fact that you have to parse the phrasing of the power and read something into it that is NOT specifically stated to arrive at your conclusion should be a hint that you are reading it wrong.  Does Holy Ardor say that it automatically hits AND crits if you roll doubles? No? Then it doesn't.  It's that simple.</blockquote>

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