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<blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 4907372" data-attributes="member: 111">Nope.&nbsp; Very different.Daggermaster:&nbsp; &quot;Dagger Precision (11th level): You can score critical hits with daggers on a roll of 18–20.&quot; (emphasis added)Ardent Champion:&nbsp; &quot;Holy Ardor (11th level): Whenever you make two attack rolls because of your oath of enmity, you score a critical hit if both dice have the same roll, except if both rolls are 1.&quot;Very, very different.The first fits very nicely into:&quot;Natural 20: If you roll a 20 on the die when making an attack roll, you score a critical hit if your total attack roll is high enough to hit your target’s defense. If your attack roll is too low to score a critical hit, you still hit automatically.Precision: Some class features and powers allow you to score a critical hit when you roll numbers other than 20 (only a natural 20 is an automatic hit).&quot;The second does not fit.&nbsp; It's an entirely new mechanic.&nbsp; Now, I can see how we can make it fit, but my reading is that it does not as written.There are several reasons:1.&nbsp; Rolling the same number of two dice is not the same as rolling numbers other than a 20, especially when one realized the context for precision is a single attack roll (which might be the best roll if mutiple rolls are allowed by a power).2.&nbsp; The omission of the word &quot;can.&quot;3.&nbsp; The &quot;except if both rolls are 1&quot; clause which is only needed if&nbsp; matching numbers are a new situation not needed to score a hit to be able to be a critical hit.Of course, I do see the validity of the opposing argument and agree that both sides of this one are correct (with my side being slightly more correct <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Artoomis, post: 4907372, member: 111"] Nope. Very different. Daggermaster: "Dagger Precision (11th level): You [B][I]can[/I][/B] score critical hits with daggers on a roll of 18–20." (emphasis added) Ardent Champion: "Holy Ardor (11th level): Whenever you make two attack rolls because of your oath of enmity, you score a critical hit if both dice have the same roll, except if both rolls are 1." Very, very different. The first fits very nicely into: "Natural 20: If you roll a 20 on the die when making an attack roll, you score a critical hit if your total attack roll is high enough to hit your target’s defense. If your attack roll is too low to score a critical hit, you still hit automatically. Precision: Some class features and powers allow you to score a critical hit when you roll numbers other than 20 (only a natural 20 is an automatic hit)." The second does not fit. It's an entirely new mechanic. Now, I can see how we can [B][I]make[/I][/B] it fit, but my reading is that it does not as written. There are several reasons: 1. Rolling the same number of two dice is not the same as rolling numbers other than a 20, especially when one realized the context for precision is a single attack roll (which might be the best roll if mutiple rolls are allowed by a power). 2. The omission of the word "can." 3. The "except if both rolls are 1" clause which is only needed if matching numbers are a new situation not needed to score a hit to be able to be a critical hit. Of course, I do see the validity of the opposing argument and agree that both sides of this one are correct (with my side being slightly more correct :)) [/QUOTE]

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