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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 4908383" data-attributes="member: 111">Yes, it is true that the rolls on the two dice are numbers.However, it is also that all other rules (other than Holy Ardor) are in the context of rolling a number (sometimes picking the best or worst of mutiple rolls) on a d20. Holy Ardor creates an entirely new situation of using a "doubles" result on two dice.Holy Ardor also says "you score a critical hit" on a doubles - except double ones."You score a critical hit" is an unambiguous game term that means you have actually passed whatever tests exist (like, for example, hitting with a high enough value on the attack die) and you may apply the damage for the critical hit.Since that is the case, Holy Ardor has created a new exception to the previous rules on Crtical Hits where you only score a crtical hit if you roll a 20 (or sometimes less if granted by a class feature or power) on the die when making an attack roll, you score a critical hit if your total attack roll is high enough to hit your target’s defense.However, I do not discount all of my learned opponents' arguments entirely - I see the validity of them and maintain that both interpretations have validity and therfore clarification from WotC is required - especially if it is important for, say RPGA play.</blockquote>