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<blockquote data-quote="ObsidianCrane" data-source="post: 4909899" data-attributes="member: 54918">The Critical Hit rules specifically only apply damage if the roll is in fact a hit.The basic Critical Hit rules only apply maximum damage if the hit result is a Natural 20.You can &quot;score a critical hit&quot; and yet not &quot;score a critical hit&quot; this is covered by the &quot;Natural 20&quot; rule.With abilities that allow you to &quot;score a critical hit&quot; on a roll other than 20 (ie the various 18-20 result feats, items, powers etc) you still can fail to hit, and thus fail to &quot;score a critical hit&quot; on results other than a 20.Holy Ardor fits well within the scope of this, roll a double number and &quot;score a critical hit&quot; this may in fact fail to hit and thus &quot;fail to score a critical hit&quot;.Nothing in Holy Ardor creates an exception to the hit and miss rules (the most general rules on attack success or failure). Nothing in Holy Ardor makes an exception to the Automatic Hit rules. As a result nothing in Holy Ardor creates a the wished for &quot;Automatic Crit&quot;.The power clarifies that its exception to the need for a Natural 20 to start checking for a critical hit does not also create an exception to the Natrual 1 rule.The fact it is an exlicit exception to the Natural 20 rule to start checking for a Critical Hit, is why the Precision rule applies to it (because that is what Precision says it is for).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ObsidianCrane, post: 4909899, member: 54918"] The Critical Hit rules specifically only apply damage if the roll is in fact a hit. The basic Critical Hit rules only apply maximum damage if the hit result is a Natural 20. You can "score a critical hit" and yet not "score a critical hit" this is covered by the "Natural 20" rule. With abilities that allow you to "score a critical hit" on a roll other than 20 (ie the various 18-20 result feats, items, powers etc) you still can fail to hit, and thus fail to "score a critical hit" on results other than a 20. Holy Ardor fits well within the scope of this, roll a double number and "score a critical hit" this may in fact fail to hit and thus "fail to score a critical hit". Nothing in Holy Ardor creates an exception to the hit and miss rules (the most general rules on attack success or failure). Nothing in Holy Ardor makes an exception to the Automatic Hit rules. As a result nothing in Holy Ardor creates a the wished for "Automatic Crit". The power clarifies that its exception to the need for a Natural 20 to start checking for a critical hit does not also create an exception to the Natrual 1 rule. The fact it is an exlicit exception to the Natural 20 rule to start checking for a Critical Hit, is why the Precision rule applies to it (because that is what Precision says it is for). [/QUOTE]

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