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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CovertOps" data-source="post: 4910708" data-attributes="member: 65152">In an exception based system yes they do.  We're not talking about a literal math subset as your link implies.  We're talking about game rules and to assume that they have some sort of math subset like capability where if you are part of a subset you are part of it's larger superset is just as much nonsense as the following:All elephants are grey.  I am grey.  Therefore I am an elephant.An exception is a case that is allowed to do something different.  The whole point of an exception is that it has to say what it can do differently.  If it doesn't say what it can do then it has to follow the norm.You asked up thread why I had my steps in the order they were in and who was to say when you could check for doubles.  My answer is if you don't do it in that order then you wind up with your (in my opinion) nonsensical argument about a crit that is a miss and how that can't possibly be.  If we're going to go with your assertion that all crits are hit math subset theory then you have to determine if you hit FIRST.  Then you don't wind up with the nonsense result you abhor of a crit that missed even though other PP features can have that same exact case happen to them by rolling an 18 (crit) and missing.</blockquote>