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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4911116" data-attributes="member: 71571">Then apply those rules.  Precision is one of them.  If you claim that it is defined in the rules, then you -must- apply the rules you have just admitted apply to this situation.  You have a situation where you have one rule telling you that only a natural 20 is an automatic hit.  You have another rule telling you -exactly- how to adjudicate what is a hit and a miss.  You have a third rule that says the first rule applies in situations where criticals can occur on other than a natural 20.And you are countering with 'I believe they implied otherwise' based on what?The thing is, those who claim Precision works -ARE- applying the rules for 'score a critical hit.'  ALL of them.  Not just ignoring what doesn't please them because, wait... they said you miss on twin 1s?Did it not occur to you that the rules don't handle what happens when you crit -and- roll a natural 1?  Or that you might have conflicting general rules that don't -exactly- describe what happens?  And that in this, the only case where that occurs, they just spelt it out so there'd be no confusion?No, instead, you decide it's an implication that the attack must automaticly hit in those instances, forgoing the rules for both scoring a critical hit, and the basic hit mechanics... because you have -faith- that it should be that way based on the designer's intentions.Well I have -faith- that had they -intended- it to automaticly hit, they'd have said 'You hit, and that hit is a critical hit.'  Or 'You hit, and you score a critical hit.' IF they'd intended for you to hit when you roll doubles, they would have -SAID SO.-  Directly.  No faith.  No implication.  They'd have included those two little words.  They did not.  So, they probably did NOT intend for this ability to work differently or be an exception to the rules -that already exist- as a framework to tell you what to do with this.That's all.  No 'You Hit' = no 'intended it to hit.'This is beyond the point of rediculous.  Will the next argument present a ouija board now?</blockquote>

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