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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4911325" data-attributes="member: 71571">However, you've not included the evidence of when a critical hit -does not occur-.For example, when you roll a 20 and do not roll high enough to hit.A search of 'critical hit' find that.A search of 'critical hit' also finds Precision.The problem is, that all the evidence you've provided that tells you what a critical hit does is great... except that I have evidence provided that tells you when -not- to critical hit.When dealing with a question of when you do or do not critical hit, that evidence becomes -extremely- weighty, as it pertains -directly- to the case and involves little speculation.That's the point... is that you've -chosen- to ignore the evidence that relates -directly- to the issue so you can continue your assumptions based on evidence that is less directly related to the issue.You've taken the evidence that says 'This is how you deal with success' and said its existance means you can ignore the evidence that says 'But this is when it does not work.'And there is no evidence that belies or counters that evidence.  The evidence that says 'it does not work' has yet to be countermanded directly.  Instead, the return argument has been based upon a fallacy of assuming the success and skipping the failure points.So here's your argument in a nutshell.'The ability says you succeed.''Therefore, we apply all the rules applying to success.''Because we apply all the rules applying to success, the rules applying to possible failure cannot apply.  After all, failure does not apply to success.''Because there are no rules applying failure, we succeed.'This is a circular argument.This is the opposing argument.'The ability says you succeed.''The rule says that even if an ability says you succeed, it may fail under certain circumstances.''Therefore, in those circumstances, the ability fails.'That is not a circular argument.</blockquote>

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