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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 4912721" data-attributes="member: 111">There is no circular argument.I'll demonstrate with an example:Whenever you make two attack rolls because of your oath of enmity, you score a hit if both dice have the same roll, except if both rolls are 1.:Same rule as Holy Ardor,, but with "hit" instead of "critical hit."This would create a new rule where you'd hit with doubles - even though you did not beat or equal the defense score as required by the previously-existing rules. ATTACK RESULTSWhen you make an attack, compare your attack roll to the appropriate defense score of the target.✦ Hit: If the attack roll is higher than or equal to the defense score, the attack hits and deals damage, has a special effect, or both.That's because my example describes a NEW MECHANIC for getting a hit.In the same way that Whenever you make two attack rolls because of your oath of enmity, you score a critical hit if both dice have the same roll, except if both rolls are 1.:describes a NEW MECHANIC for scoring a critical hit.Its simple, straightforward language creates a new rule for when you get to "score a critical hit."With Holy Ardor, you now "score a critical hit" if A:Your higher die roll is high enough to potentially score a critical hit AND it meats or beats the defender's defense score.ORYou roll doubles.There really can be no doubt about that.However, the doubt comes in on whether "scoring a critical hit" really means  getting to apply critical damage or whether it really means you only have potentially scored a critical hit.A look at the Critical Hit rules quickly confirms that scoring a critical hit means you do indeed get to apply Critical Hit damage.It's a NEW RULE.    As such, it is an exception to the other rules and DOES NOT NEED TO FOLLOW THE OLD RULE.Finally, once again, I understand the opposing argument and see it as (almost <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />) equally valid.  Why will those on the opposing side not say the same?</blockquote>

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