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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CovertOps" data-source="post: 4915416" data-attributes="member: 65152">All of this misses the mark completely.  I'm going to do two cases below to show the options the way I see it.1.  Holy Ardor provides a critical hit.2.  This overrides the normal hit rules.3.  Since this is the case we can no longer look at any of the hit rules to prove what Holy Ardor does or does not do.  We must now rely only on the rules text within the power granting us an exception in order to determine the outcome.4.  Our result is now undefined because we no longer have a definition of critical hit or hit and there is no such definition in the text of Holy Ardor.1.  Holy Ardor provides a critical hit.2.  This does not override the normal hit rules.3.  Consult the normal hit rules to determine what a critical hit is.4.  A critical hit requires that we have hit the target so let's check if this is true.5.  If we hit, now apply the rules for crit that we were granted (max damage etc).You are suggesting a modified form of the first case where you somehow get to both use the normal hit rules to prove that "critical" = "hit" and simultaneously ignore the requirements of a hit.  You can't use the rules in such a fashion.  Either you use the WHOLE rule or none of it (OR the power granting the exception tells you specifically what sections you get to ignore and how - but it should be noted that Holy Ardor does NOT do this).  For this reason I asked you to prove what text (within the body of Holy Ardor) grants you a hit without needing to hit the defense of the target because if there were such text I could agree with your assertion as you have now given an alternate version of the hit rules and can now truly ignore the hit rules in their entirety.</blockquote>

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