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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4918314" data-attributes="member: 71571">You missed the point here.Precision uses automatic hit to refer to cases where the results of the dice allow you to skip normal hit-resolution.&nbsp; You are telling us that Holy Ardor gives a situation that allows you to skip normal hit-resolution based on the results of the dice.The implication here is that they are, in fact, refering to the same thing.Regardless, the point stands: without text saying that you -do- hit, you must apply all normal rules.&nbsp; In the absense of 'You hit' you apply the rules of Critical hit, which include 'Only a 20 is an automatic hit'.Both instances of 'automatic hit' or 'hit automaticly' are for the case of natural 20, where it says: 'If your attack roll is too low to score a critical hit, you still hit automatically.'So thusly, the -only- precident one has for a case where one rolls and does not exceed defense but still hits -actually includes explicit text to that point.-It even goes beyond 'when you roll a natural 20 you hit automaticly' but even goes on to say -what that means, exactly.-Are you -honestly- trying to tell me that Holy Ardor does the same thing but without the actual text saying so?&nbsp; That if it meant -that- that they would neglect to say -that-, when they -do- say so, and redundantly, for the -other- case in the rules?Seriously?Pffft.&nbsp; Doesn't bother me.EDIT:I believe that if they'd intended for the hit to be automatic, they'd said so, or otherwise indicated this.&nbsp; They'd not leave the intent up to the absense of a word 'can' especially given general rules templating -is- slowly phasing out that word in many cases.If they'd intended the hit to be automatic, they'd include '...you automaticly hit, and...' within the text. It's not like there isn't room for it in that whitespace sitting there.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 4918314, member: 71571"] You missed the point here. Precision uses automatic hit to refer to cases where the results of the dice allow you to skip normal hit-resolution. You are telling us that Holy Ardor gives a situation that allows you to skip normal hit-resolution based on the results of the dice. The implication here is that they are, in fact, refering to the same thing. Regardless, the point stands: without text saying that you -do- hit, you must apply all normal rules. In the absense of 'You hit' you apply the rules of Critical hit, which include 'Only a 20 is an automatic hit'. Both instances of 'automatic hit' or 'hit automaticly' are for the case of natural 20, where it says: 'If your attack roll is too low to score a critical hit, you still hit automatically.' So thusly, the -only- precident one has for a case where one rolls and does not exceed defense but still hits -actually includes explicit text to that point.- It even goes beyond 'when you roll a natural 20 you hit automaticly' but even goes on to say -what that means, exactly.- Are you -honestly- trying to tell me that Holy Ardor does the same thing but without the actual text saying so? That if it meant -that- that they would neglect to say -that-, when they -do- say so, and redundantly, for the -other- case in the rules? Seriously? Pffft. Doesn't bother me. EDIT: I believe that if they'd intended for the hit to be automatic, they'd said so, or otherwise indicated this. They'd not leave the intent up to the absense of a word 'can' especially given general rules templating -is- slowly phasing out that word in many cases. If they'd intended the hit to be automatic, they'd include '...you automaticly hit, and...' within the text. It's not like there isn't room for it in that whitespace sitting there. [/QUOTE]

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